Indigenous Spirit of All colors

[sentient]

The World Pole or The World Mountain (like a pyramid) or The World Tree …

In the old times to even more recent times … the Eagle sat on the top of the World Pole/Tree and the Snake at its roots, so people brought food for the ‘pet’ snake under that Sacred Tree.

My interpretation had been, that the snake was also a symbol of ‘ascension’ on that World Tree … because energy moves like a snake …..

Or lightning was also like a Snake when Eagle/Thunderbird suddenly awakes one onto another plane of awareness …

And Snake was also what a Shaman ‘costume’ had – snake belts …

Sounds a bit like “Kundalini” ???
But perhaps I am wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFAF-TL8nls

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[sentient]

Maybe the Near Eastern Neolithic farmers had dancing temple girls???

Still, about time somebody got outraged!
https://www.rferl.org/a/tatar-singer.../28009242.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_icPJuwhPU

I felt sorry for the camel.

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Originally Posted by sentient

I thought I followed it, but perhaps not - have to listen to it again …

You probably followed it fine.
I on the other had a hard time following some of it.
This is all new to me, so I was having a hard time following at times.
He went through a whole heck of a lot of information.
Maybe I should have taken notes.

I don't know if you know of the tv show Ancient Aliens or not, but I felt like
I was watching that show. I like the pictures of the Ancient site but have a hard time following another persons interpretation or hypothesis.
The people Ancient Aliens see everything through their lens of interpretation.

Originally Posted by sentient

I think you are trying to link European Mesolithic, Neolithic, Bronze Age & modern time periods and cultures together.
Does not work – me thinks. It only becomes another ‘New Age Culture Fusion’ = Confusion.

Cool, but I think they linked them together long ago.
Chariot wars are a big example.
I am more interested in when people treated the horse as Sacred.
Also when they treated Metal as Sacred.
Also the Wheel/circle.
There is no need to call me a New Ager now sentient...Though I do own a New Age mode of transport made of Horse power, metal and wheels.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

Cool, but I think they linked them together long ago.
Chariot wars are a big example.

There is no need to call me a New Ager now sentient...Though I do own a New Age mode of transport made of Horse power, metal and wheels.

But, but, but … you knowww the horse, the wheel and metals did not as an example belong to the “natives” you integrated into in US. Those are not from their tribal/cultural history. They did not have them - no chariot wars etc.

Well, neither did we in early Europe. European history did not start at the arrival of Indo-Europeans.

So - you are talking about Indo-European migration into Europe and the culture/beliefs they brought with them - and this is not the same as indigenous European hunter-gatherer culture/beliefs.

P.S.
From the talk you ImthatIm posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAmzTMAIAAM
– 52:25 to 56:00.

My post #1000 was a response to that, because I so relate to that Swan part.
Here I would be very interested in the 30-40 Amerind tribes’ cosmological beliefs about Cygnus constellation and the “Path of the Souls”, IF there are any similarities.

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Originally Posted by sentient

Well, neither did we in early Europe. European history did not start at the arrival of Indo-Europeans.

So - you are talking about Indo-European migration into Europe and the culture/beliefs they brought with them - and this is not the same as indigenous European hunter-gatherer culture/beliefs.

Yeah, I am interested in the Swan also. I regret bringing up the Horse, Wheel, Metals and Swan in the same basket.
I simply was stating they all have peeked my interest for future investigation.

I plan on reading your post #1000 link later.

sentient
Quote from The Cygnus Mystery:

between c. 16,000-15,000 BC Deneb was Pole Star. At the same time, the Milky Way would have risen up from the eastern horizon to where Cygnus occupied pole position, whilst the stars of Scorpio, anciently seen as a serpent, were placed at the base of the Milky Way expressed as the World Tree.

So the above was taken from: https://www.andrewcollins.com/page/a...ery_cygnus.htm

It looks like you will have to get a copy of the book to see what it says about Native Americans echoing the mind set of Cygnus and it's importance.
Or you may have to wait until Deneb is the Pole star again.(year 9800)

Here is an article that may interest you.
https://www.newswire.com/news/americ...ecrets-8947553

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Thanks for the links ImthatIm!
You had mentioned the "Mound Builders" a while back, but it took me this long to ‘come to them’:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxZ8cgoqtsg

Now that is astonishing! Never knew!
Some really interesting images and artefacts there.
Had a look at this as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c5pty3VKnM&t=18s

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

In Ireland the Swan was regarded as the bird that bore the spirit of a dead Celtic Chieftain sway to the next life.

Where did that belief originate???

A stab in the dark here, but looking deeper into Indo-European beliefs … maybe you can find something checking up Kurgans and Scythians (?)

Kurgan Mound Builders

The Kurgan hypothesis is that Proto-Indo-Europeans were the bearers of the Kurgan culture of the Black Sea and the Caucasus and west of the Urals.

https://brewminate.com/kurgans-ancie...rasian-steppe/

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[sentient]

Origins of the Celts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brxu_h_pzBg

DNA evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XAQsxhEzvU

^ Whilst it is true that the indigenous Europeans (we are all part of) moved to British Isles and to “Doggerland” from the ice age cave refugia's in Spain, later though “over 90% of their DNA was replaced by Bell Beakers, by the Indo-European expansion in Europe”.
If I remember right, there were some hunter-gatherers who made a comeback & did they then reintroduce the Swan as a carrier of souls to the Celts in Ireland, or had there been remnants of the original people and that belief left in there?

Apart from that dna error, his talks about the steppes are marvellous and well worth listening to imo. - like the Scythians for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFsd_LyYZdo

Apparently

Swans are intimately associated with the divine twins in Indo-European religions, and it is thought that in Proto-Indo-European times, swans were a solar symbol associated with the divine twins and the original Indo-European sun goddess.

So far, I haven’t found Indo-European connection to Deneb & the Swan/Cygnus Constellation, which the mound builders in Americas allegedly had as well as Swastikas.
Up in the Arctic Swastika is not so much a sun symbol, but a symbol of the Pole Star (Be it in Cygnus or wherever).
Must look at those artefacts again …

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[sentient]

P.S.
Collins:

The Cygnus Constellation holds the key to proving that life originated in the heavens—and will ultimately return there.

Is this the Amerind belief about the Star origins of people?

HA!
In his book “Denisovan Origins : Hybrid Humans, Goebekli Tepe, and the Genesis of the Giants of Ancient America”
- he talks about our Sacred Site (& I had wondered – why & how come he had not made the connection – but he had!:
https://books.google.com.au/books?id...0onega&f=false
And yes, yes, the Swan laying the “Cosmic Egg” (Creation Story) is also told … (variations of it being the Eagle and the Duck).
In it he talks about Karels&Veps … but, but, but, the Swan is the Totemic Ancestor of Saami further up North. We all shared that Site ... …
Still, Collins got it!

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