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02-11-2020, 03:42 PM
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Considerations Fourteen
Mind cannot be forced, bulldozed, intimidated. strong-armed
Mind is a tricky system
like dealing with a child. You cannot force or jam it. The more you try to force the issue the more power to resist it gains. The harder you push the more resistant it becomes.
You can lead it. You can persuade it. You can lure it. You can tempt it.
This is when you come to realize just how resistant the mind can be
how much it can be against you
and it is simply the power of the mind to want to stay with the familiar
what it has used to understand and contend with that which has been around it
for who knows how long. Some of your patterns may be lifetimes-old. In fact
most of them are.
Learning to lead the mind involves in getting mind interested in where or what you want to lead it to. Out-trick the mind and lead it along with favoring terms and games. Your own devised forward-leading games.
When you discover and choose a habit / pattern that you wish to change
whether quitting smoking or eating better food or changing ones attitude towards this-or-that
mind will always want to return to the old familiar ways. Mind truly resists change. It is very mechanical ruled by habit.
And the beginning of change
on most anything
is focus. And if your mind strays 1000 times from your intended goal
bring it back 1001.
But try to approach any meaningful goal or change
one at a time.
And start slowly
gently. Try to train your mind to learn that it is okay to change. Do NOT take the most pressure-filled, stressful issue to start with.
This becomes an entire gaming scenario within your own being
on how to out-trick your own mind
and lead it towards that which will be more beneficial to you. Knowing that the mind is often like a petulant child
ready to throw a tantrum at a moments notice
can you somewhat prepare for the battle.
One way to do this
carry a list of topics youd rather focus on
beneficial ones
preferred ones
and start a discussion with yourself on the preferred topic. Remind yourself
when mind starts jabbering on such-and-such
take it off into this-or-that topic
and get into it. Get involved in the inner conversation. LEAD it away from
and then towards.
Its an on-going gambit but youll be amazed at how nice it is to even cut it down 25%
let alone more.
This may or may not be towards your preferred goal
but it *is* beginning to take control of your mind. Get it interested in what *you* wish to focus on. Affirmations can play a part in this but you can carry this approach much farther than that.
Cold-turkey works
only for those with incredible will power
and maybe not even then. Thirty days on down the road
mind may make another maneuver to slide you back into an old pattern. Expect it. Watch for it. And if you lose
take a breather and start again. If the issue is that ominous
you will have to face it sometime. It might as well be now.
This is also a basis for The answer lies within. If you know an issue
then the answer
or at least the start towards the answer
lies in the opposite direction. The answer of why you do it lies within
and you can take eons to try and figure that out. That often just gives validity to the issue. Spend the time on the new direction. You already know the what
the perceived issue.
I can just never do this-or-that
I always have trouble with this-or-that
Im not good enough to do it
Its too hard
I dont have time
etc. x infinity.
The answer
and certainly the better direction lies in the opposite perspective of the above. Yes
you may want to believe that this is conning oneself. Regardless
this is the way to start the change. You have to choose the new direction and then slowly move towards it
one day at a time
and often one moment at a time.
It can go *way* beyond one-line affirmations. Design inner scenarios where you are successful in your new goal right now
and pretend to already be living it.
Wow
this is easy
I just did this and this and that
and it all fell into place
I love doing this
and Im successful
and it feels great
I feel so much better in doing it
etc.
Mind rebels at being forced to accept something
but loves pleasure. Entice it
but in a beneficial way. Trick it
train it
just as a child. Trick it with baby steps. Trick it into enjoying the new end result.
When mind finally accepts the new perspective at least for that moment
and then later begins to squawk
recite a poem
see a movie
put on some music
mentally continue to play the positive game
find a way to sidetrack it and lead it back. Follow your new perspective for an hour
and then let mind squawk. Watch what it does. Expect that outcome. Then plug in the new perspective for another 30 minutes or an hour. Make a game out of it.
Again
all of this can go on quietly inside. No one has to know. Its your own battle anyway. You certainly can ask for support if you wish.
But always
always
always do this for yourself. Do NOT do this in trying to change someone elses behavior or perspective. You are designing *your* life.
Mind will always be happy to tell you that you are doing the wrong thing and you should just go back and re-establish the old pattern. For eons you have listened to the negative squawkings. You have focused on that direction. There is no magic wand that will instantly and automatically head you in the opposite instruction
unless and until you set the course.
Most all of you know the value of gratitude. Try not to overlook the value of gratitude towards your own mind when it does what you wish it to do. Hey mind
way cool
you started looking at this new scenario / thought area and you stuck to it. *Very* nicely done.
It might seem odd that you would talk to your own mind that way
but you *would* praise a child when s/he did what s/he was told. Just these little additions can make all the difference in the world to your success.
More later.
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02-11-2020, 08:46 PM
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I love these tips and hints, thanks zorkchop!
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04-11-2020, 02:57 PM
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Considerations Fifteen
Stopping the Mind
I have suggested before that many of the various religions and practices have stopping the mind as an end goal. I will readily admit
relief from the mental chatter is a rewarding goal. Somewhere along the Path this practice must be addressed. Most
if not all
will spend lifetimes attaining this
and those that do / can
are somewhat admired.
There is a kind of middle path to all of this
but one of the main issues is that these religions and practices have you believing that if you stop the mind
that automatically takes you beyond mind .
Um
no. It just teaches mind to quiet down for a moment
however long that moment is. Obviously if you can get your mind to be totally quiet for five minutes or one hour or a day
thats wonderful
if thats your goal.
But it doesnt take you out of the mental realm. All the old mental patterns and habits are still there. When you return from the state in which you use to quiet the mind
nothing has changed
except for the period of respite
which
can be very nice indeed
I acknowledge that.
Lets get you into an automobile and youre speeding down the highway. You lift your foot from the accelerator and the car eventually rolls to a stop. Are you automatically out of the car? Have you changed the car?
No.
But lets carry that forwards a bit
and say you are driving your car and get it to your destination and you park it
and then get out and you are obviously in a totally different scenario of transportation and surroundings
you are walking most likely
and you are walking within some environment. There is no car
no steering wheel
no gas-powered motor
no comfortable seat. You must adjust to the pedestrian experience.
This is much like leaving the mental worlds and entering the Soul Plane. It is totally different. Soul must adjust
and learn
finally
in Its own environment
so to speak.
Did stopping the mind get you there?
No.
It takes effort beyond that. And learning beyond that.
But the slowing of mind
even stopping the mind
does lead to better focus
and upon what you focus will often design where you are to head from that moment on. It also gives potential relief from the constant mental chatterings.
In the learning to slow or stop the mind even for a short time
remember
if you attack the mind like its an enemy its going to retaliate against you. Negotiate with it as a child
whom you love. In this way it might be more receptive to where you wish to lead it to
even to the slowing or stopping it for a few moments. This will also tend to teach you about forgiveness, tolerance, patience
with your own mind
and with others.
Slowing and then stopping the mind is something that most everyone has to contend with. Again - if you get angry when there are no results
it can backfire on you. You are fighting
yourself
or your mental approach to yourself.
This entire precept is not negating the teachings of the various eastern religions at all. These religions play an important in the sequence of learning. For many people
one learns to stop the mind even for a short time
and then learns beyond that.
Its when you have had dozens or hundreds of lifetimes in the eastern religions and then find yourself back here
again
when you have been told all along that this stopping the mind is the end game. So
you begin to look elsewhere
or beyond
and on we go.
More later.
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04-11-2020, 10:32 PM
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It is a wonderful thing that many Eastern traditions are not interested in stopping the mind, (as it is not transformative if only the mind is "stopped" as you are mentioning above Z). There is much more of a deeper culture going on. It is almost ashame that the West is given so little that the East has to offer.
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04-11-2020, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueElephant
It is a wonderful thing that many Eastern traditions are not interested in stopping the mind, (as it is not transformative if only the mind is "stopped" as you are mentioning above Z). There is much more of a deeper culture going on. It is almost ashame that the West is given so little that the East has to offer.
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What is Matter?Never mind.
What is Mind?No matter.
This can have two interpretations. One is the obvious that mind is beyond matter, however I like the more subtle meaning that both mind and matter are of no real concern spiritually speaking.
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06-11-2020, 02:11 PM
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For those of you who have entered this set of posts from one of the later entries
here is a handy index of posts and the forum board post number of its location. I have had a request or two to do this
so
here it is. I will try to keep it updated every 5-10 posts or so and will re-enter it again or edit the old one.
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Con 1
Post 1
general what-its-all-about blab
Con 2
2
a bit of mind / energy discussion
CL 1
Post 7
Clarifications
why Im making these posts
Con 3
10
Reincarnation and the Path
Con 4
Post 12
Reincarnation continued
Con 5
15
Reincarnation continued again
Con 6
Post 19
Know Thyself
Con 7
21
We did not forget
Con 8
Post 22
Duality
Con 9
30
God
Con 10
Post 31
Personal Confessions 1A
CL 4
33
Clarification
find the original concept
Con 11
Post 39
Personal Confessions continued
Con 12 - 44
Checkpoints, Safeguards, and Spiritual Law
Con 13
Post 48
Im Offended
Con 14
52
Mind cannot be forced
Con 15
Stopping the Mind
Con 16
Divided Thoughts and Narrowness of Focus
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06-11-2020, 02:12 PM
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Considerations Sixteen
Divided thoughts and narrowness of focus
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Per request
I put a small index in the post above. Please refer to it as you wish.
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Much of the intentional design of the physical world is that there are physical / outer objects to draw your attention towards. The eyes are obviously drawn to the ongoing activity and it certainly draws your attention outward. In order to gain some kind of understanding and control over your life
that is the exact opposite direction to place your focused attention.
The more chaos around you
the more apt you are to focus outwardly. Its impossible not to do so. A greater degree of control over this can be learned if that becomes a goal for the individual. Hopefully this same individual has had at least some success in slowing
if not stopping
the mind.
Where and what you focus on is where you are designing your Path
your life perspective. Much of what Ive put forth so far is to get you to observe where you are putting your focus. Are you putting on the negative
look out
I cant
I dont know how
Im not good enough
or
on the positive / capable
etc.
Focus is key.
Mind will put up the most amazing battles to protect / maintain habits. Minds first response is to retaliate and contradict what it does not accept as part of its own belief system. Many spend much of their life doing just this.
You cannot just negate your thought patterns. This will form a void
and SOME-thing will fill that void or vacuum. YoU should have a thought pattern already designed to replace it
which often is just the opposite of the issue you are trying to balance out. This at least gives you a great starting point.
All of this discovery does not come about with a quick wave of a magic wand. This is life-changing stuff
a full repositioning of your perspective on LIFE
and beyond. You seem to go about it quietly
because you will not meet many that are at your level when you step beyond the mental worlds and discover just what Soul is
and is all about. You redesign your interaction with LIFE
and your responsibility towards LIFE. It is often done quietly
personally
unobtrusively
almost unknowingly among your close friends
for they wouldnt understand what you mean by stepping beyond mind. Your friends would just as soon commit you to some psych ward or
just walk away. They may support you
but there wont be much discussion amongst you.
You also learn that it is very difficult to focus on the psychic realm and truth to move beyond the psychic worlds at the same time. Its like trying to be a Christian and a Buddhist at the same time. It just doesnt work out too well
but one can certainly give it a try if they wish. Focus and immersion into one direction through the teachings of your choice is always preferable.
You can learn to find that center within you
or just a focal point if that suits you better
and you can learn to hold there in spite of what is happening around you. No
it doesnt *always* work
but when you gain a toe-hold in this direction
you build on that.
You are learning to live in the center of the storm of LIFE while all else swirls around you
and your center position maintains your contentment.
One method that will serve you well with its discovery
and then its development into other areas. Take some quiet time and design some imagery
a landscape, a favorite location, a favored person, a pet, anything that helps to make you smile
and then build some feelings around that
and head the feelings into a soft peace and contentment. Later
when you need to retreat to that spot
bring up the practiced and designed imagery
and go there. With practice
you can just hold to the feelings of being there and not have to resort to even bringing up the imagery.
When you get one going
you can expand.
This is *not* meant to help you retreat from life. There are issues and situations that we all must face. But as I said above
learn to stand in the center if you believe you need not get involved with your immediate surroundings. ( Take notice of the word
in-volved. That word originally meant to roll in or become absorbed or move inward. The word dates back to the 1300s. )
You will discover to one degree or another that getting beyond the mental worlds does not come about because of what youve learned here in the psychic worlds
but you get there *in spite* of what you have learned.
You can inwardly and quietly hum a tune to occupy the mind, recite the alphabet or a poem, use a mantra, run an affirmation, anything that *you* choose to do during such situations. Since *you* understand yourself best
it is up to *you* you discover just what to use here. Again
make it fun
make it a game
help the mind accept it.
It *is* an individual Path
and the ultimate discoveries are just that
personal and individual
but you *will* meet those that have explored where you are now setting foot ( so to speak ) and even those beyond. They are ominous indeed. The *will* help you take the next step so to speak
if you ask.
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06-11-2020, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by zorkchop
For those of you who have entered this set of posts from one of the later entries
Con 3
10
Reincarnation and the Path
Con 4
Post 12
Reincarnation continued
Con 5
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Reincarnation continued again
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I actually will read what you have to say on reincarnation.
Thanks for the index, buddy.
Smart of you. 
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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08-11-2020, 03:11 PM
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Considerations Seventeen
Thoughts are things
What I post here now will not be following acceptable scientific findings
and many here
if not most
may just dismiss what I am going to say here
but I doubt if it will irritate anyone so I left it off the Irritation Factor.
The entire tool of the mind is a fascinating thing but it does *not* originate in the brain. The mind uses the mental psychic body to interact with the various thoughts and the brain receives them according to our own personal training of on what and where to focus.
Again
we are back to focus.
One of the best ways to understand this is that the physical brain is a tuner and a receiving station. We tune in to each thought
slowly at first
and we train the mind to prefer this station or that
so to speak. So much of this is brought from our previous lifetimes. We bring the tendency to train our mind to tune back into the stations we prefer
in as close as possible to what we thought in our last few lifetimes. Our physical surroundings are a bit different
so we take the tendency and re-shape it to comfort to the surroundings of the current lifestyle.
On the mental plane
thoughts are things
and they group together according to vibration
or more simply
like attracts like. These groupings can be seen somewhat as clouds on the mental plane
almost like a mist or a fog
perhaps forming something like the swirling galaxies from the Hubble Telescope. Each thought pattern is as a droplet or particle within the overall cloud. These clouds also give off a radiance of their own
very simply holding to darker clouds and lighter clouds, etc.
according to the thoughts within the clouds
which is according to the vibration of the thought itself and its similar thoughts from other sources.
These clouds form almost like groupings in the various neighborhoods in the world. Once can focus from the planet to the continent to the nation to the state to the city to the neighborhood to the block to the specific street and on down to the building and the specific living quarters and even on into specific rooms with all of that. This is an incredibly simplified portrayal.
Nonetheless
this shows you just how important focus can be. And
it helps address the question of why anyone can pick up similar thoughts to their own patters but they feel that such-and-such a thought certainly did *not* come from them. Well
you just wandered in the neighborhood and picked up that particular thought
just as radio stations an be so close to each other that they bleed into each other.
So it is really that mind is not the enemy
our focus is. Our attentive focus
coupled with our attitude
really designs our entire perception
especially when coupled with the emotions that fire our choice of beliefs and habits. We each allowed our mind to gain control over our thought pattern
but again
we did not know better.
Now you are beginning to piece all of that together.
An out-of-control mind is as much an enemyas it can be our partner or friend when it is working with and for us. The use of the word enemy here is tongue-in-cheek
you cannot wage war on the mind as the tool that it is. It is the direction that goes against the individual. Any tool can be used for detrimental or beneficial purposes
and the more powerful the tool
the more effect it will have according to our uses.
A controlled and focused mind is exactly what you want while you walk the psychic realms
all the way until you are ready to step beyond the mental worlds for a short journey beyond.
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you cannot wage a war on mind as an entire tool
not only because the energy of your inner war against mind will make it worse
but you must use mind while here to interact with your own personal lifestyle / world.
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Considerations Eighteen
Taking a specific time to do inner work
If there is one practice that is almost a *must*
it is this
You must set aside a short period of time
preferably the same time every day
to find a quiet place to settle down and design your life from within
one step at a time
one issue at a time. This has obviously been given many names
the most popular of which is meditation
and for the most part
that term is sufficient to use to refer to quiet, inner time
but for the most part
meditation tries to narrow the focus
and instead you want to broaden the focus on issues
one at a time
gain an understanding of them
and revise or realign them to your benefit.
Meditation is often designated for the slowing and stopping of the mind
using whatever mantra one prefers
making the mind one-pointed
attempting to just stop the mind and gain some relief for the moment
and many believe this relief is indicative of attainment of a certain level or status. Since most people will take up this practice for many lifetimes
whatever one wishes to use to attain that state
is just fine. Its all part of the sequence and the learning process.
What I am trying to suggest here
is almost a rehearsing of the inner goals you have designed
using this quiet time to focus and live them for those moments. Without both a reminder
and an enhancing
of the inner goals
one at a time
very little will be attained.
This does *not* have to be a long, drawn-out affair. Just 20-30 minutes would be wonderful. Maybe the first goal is just to get yourself trained to take this time in the first place. Use the tendency of the mind to rely on habit to your benefit here and do this at the same time every day.
This time period needs to be private, quiet, undisturbed, not to retreat and focus selfishly
but to go inside and gain perspective.
The outer world is designed to grab your attention. The more chaotic the outer world
the more your attention is commanded to those outer events and little to no time is given to your inner world. This is by design. Most people try to wrestle with the outer world as they are in it
as their attention is being overwhelmed by it.
And so
you need to take some time to retreat
and go in and look around. This is a great beginning to knowing oneself. This is almost impossible to do if your outer world is always howling at you.
If you have designed a goal that you wish to revise or exchange for another more beneficial behavior
this is the time when you go inside and practice BE-ing that. Go pretend. Go inside and act as if that new behavior is already a part of your inner system. Enjoy it. The more you get involved with it
the more it will speed its appearance in your own inner and / or outer life.
This is *your* world you are designing. Feel it. BE it
even just for the moment.
One rather generic method is to just hold to your inner goal and take slow, deep breaths as if you are breathing it into yourself. Game your mind into getting into this.
Many of you have either heard of or have read
Neville Goddard writings. Neville died in 1972 and travelled widely to offer his perceptions and beliefs on self-help
mainly from a Biblical point of view. I personally find it interesting how he uses the Biblical scriptures to portray his beliefs
but it is not necessary to use these practices from the Biblical sense.
He offers a lot of valuable and fascinating information. His articles on revision, dreaming, imagination, consciousness, assumptions
the list goes on
are more than worth scanning through. It is good, viable, basic information
great for the development of the essential fundamentals.
You can use and develop further much of what I have offered in these posts with his suggestions. If you dismiss the Biblical point of view
and I mean NO disrespect to the Biblical teachings here at all
these are great, generic suggestions and practices. If you dig into the free PDFs
you can uncover a wealth of suggestions and directions.
If you Google
Neville Goddard Text Archive
youll find a free web site that offers many hours of browsing.
Again
one repeated and exceptionally vital suggestion
when you do any of this type of work
make sure you do it ONLY for your own inner and outer plan. If you do this to try and control someone else
I dont even want to be on the same planet when you will have to resolve the karmic implications that incurs.
But obviously
it is your choice. You can use these same practices any way you wish
and it will be *you* that must balance it all out at some time
in some way
to some person. It *is*
your choice.
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