Elohim

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Thank you for this thread, NoOne. I was already aware of the whole story due to the bits and pieces you have revealed here and there since joining the forum and I have pieced it all together myself, but it is good to have it all in one thread and place where people are able to give comment on it.

There is something I would like to ask you (I am not asking anybody else),..
You stated that before you were introduced to the Elohim, you were an antitheist and you hated everything to do with religious deities, traditions and all of that.

How do you deal with people who act that same way towards you now? Those who tell you that you don't need to believe what you believe in or do what you are doing?... who hate on you for just minding your own business? bearing in mind that you were once like them? Because as "spiritual" as I am, I cannot stand such people who try and deny me my source of happiness and love because they personally find it abhorrent.

How do you cope with all of that? because I CANNOT cope with it...with opinionated impersonalists thinking they know what it is that I "need" and they become a LOT worse than proselytizing Christians in regards to forcing others to "see the Light" when they already see it, but they will totally deny the experience of others because it is not their own.

Honestly, I just laugh at them, such people are spiritually blind and purposely ignore the evidence in front of them, by closing their eyes and refusing to look at the truth. Plus I keep most of my spiritual beliefs to myself, I share as much with each person as they're ready for and tell the whole story only to a select few, who are advanced enough to take it.

Like you, I am beholdent to an ancient tradition... even though yours is a lot older than mine.

Perhaps, but it is hard to judge. Kumari Kandam, now mostly underwater, may have been the source of not only the Indus Valley, but also the Sumerian Civilisation as well. The Anunnaki were certainly not native to that region and they referred to the Sumerians as "black-headed ones", because their hair colour was decidedly different, most likely red or blonde.

Enki is the leader of the Elohim...He is the greatest of all the "Shining Ones"...In Sanskrit, the word for greatest is "Maha" and the word for Elohim is "Deva"...put that together and you get Mahadeva, which is another name for Lord Shiva.

I am more and more convinced that Enki and Shiva are the same being, the same way that the Goddess also has many different aspects and names.

I don't know if I "belong" to the time of the Indus Valley Civilization (even though I cannot read the script) or a much later time, around the first half of the last millennium somewhere in South-East Asia...or both places at different times. I just recall all of the ancient traditions of the ancestors as if they were all "second nature" and belonging to a tribal group who were very close-knit...who cared deeply about every single member...and everyone had a role to fulfil...and Lord Shiva was worshiped...and nobody had a bad word to say about anyone else ..

I think you do, you seem to resonate with it quite a lot and there is no question that Lord Shiva as Pashupati was the chief deity at the time.

Coming into this body... into this time in human evolution is a rude "culture shock" for me and I just cannot cope with the world as it is...I am also going through a Kundalini psychosis as well and I miss the nurturing spiritual environment of my own "clan" and the spiritual environment here on this forum is NO substitution for it...not in the slightest...because I LOVE my "Duality" and I LOVE all of my "concepts" and "labels" and my ego..I have accepted and embraced all of that, just as you have...and to be in a room full of those who are dead-set against such things and have hatred and animosity towards it is probably not the best place for a weak-hearted person to BE... better to go to a place where their own tribe gathers to collectively defend itself against such people.....I seriously need to get myself to a Shiva temple and only associate with Shiva Devotees because that is all I know HOW to do!

Personally, I don't experience hatred and animosity, only indifference, but then I keep largely to myself. I simply do not seek out the company of those that would pull me down further into the trap that is this gross material realm.

It is very good that we have this understanding in common...both belonging to an ancient tradition that others tell us we are insane for belonging to...and the only "insane" thing, is you want to hurt such people who say those horrible things in the name of "retribution".

So far nobody has told me that I was insane, I'm actually incredibly level-headed, calm and collected, considering what I went through. I'll be honest, there isn't much that scares me these days and I genuinely don't have any material concerns, so I lack fear and anxiety.

Maybe you could send the Goddess my way again because I need to get re-connected with what I am already familiar with.

That is entirely up to the Goddess, if she feels you need help, she will intercede on your behalf. When I asked her if she could help you out in any way I got a pretty cryptic "I will help her", whatever that means.

Actually she finds that pretty funny and is laughing at my lame attempts to second guess her at this very moment. I guess we'll find out...

I will have to expand on the whole atheist to theist journey in a bit more detail, but at the moment I am way too busy with work. You bought up some really important points and I will expand upon them further.

Also, I'm not a particularly emotional guy, but I don't say it enough how much I appreciate your contributions, your vast knowledge and generally just being there for me. I know we are thousands of miles apart, but don't think this doesn't matter or I don't appreciate you. I think there are a lot more people who have been touched by you in positive ways, than you may realise.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by Melahin

@NoOne as far as I understood it there is a source of creation, and the Elohim simply was the first light from that source. I am just curious to see where this whole conversation goes... I think Barbara Hand Clow has talked about the Annunaki as the keepers of the fourth dimension...

They exist in a lot more than just four dimensions, from what I understand. I believe that they are the highest beings anywhere in the Universe.

It is confusing, because they once had physical forms, but that does not mean that in their prime state they aren't the most powerful beings in the Universe. Their physical incarnations, such as the ones that existed in ancient Sumer, were mere blips in time. It isn't any more to them, then us playing a video game for an hour, whereas on earth, maybe thousands of years have passed.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

NoOne, will your information mention the Elohim mentioned in the Bible?

Will you get into variations of spelling and pronunciation of the word Elohim?

Nope, but if you want to contribute in that area, you're more than welcome to. I would have preferred to call this thread Anunnaki, but that term is now so loaded, that even the gods themselves avoid using it to refer to themselves and prefer Elohim. I consider the Biblical information on them pretty marginal and heavily edited. It is pretty clear that most of it was based on more ancient texts. Despite his many faults and lack of linguistic skill, Zecharia Sitchin actually did a pretty decent job of pointing out the parallels between the Bible and Mesopotamian myth. It is pretty clear for instance that Enki is the God that warned Noah about the coming flood and instructed him to build an ark to save civilisation. The Biblical God is clearly not just one person, but an amalgamation of many different gods, which explains a lot of the contradiction inherent in such an approach.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by FairyCrystal

There is a hierarchy of sorts, yes, but personally I'm not that interested in mapping it out. I have different sources, not many though, only very high vibrational ones, and I just tap in to what we're doing during a workshop or webinar. For instance Diana Cooper, who I have not heard talking about Elohim ever. But there's another woman who does if it is necessary for the workshop.
Helios is the center of our Universe, which is also where Metatron resides, and the Alpha & Omega which is related to Jesus.
If memory serves the Seraphim are at this level, they surround the Godhead.
Elohim are somewhat lower as the 13D overarches them.
The angel hierarchy can easily be Googled.
Then there's the others from the Angelic Realm, for instance Unicorns who are 7 and 9 dimensional, Dragons anything from 4 through 9D.

There's so much, like the Cosmic Heart (Venus) where you can go to visit Lady Mary in a temple and from there go even higher up to Angel Mary, who's higher energy and overarching energy of Mary.
Where that fits in in the so called heavenly hierarchy, not a clue. To me not so important either.

I agree, to me all these higher beings are "Denizens of Heaven" and I'll leave it at that. Arguments about heavenly hierarchy have generally been unproductive in the past. I will maintain though, that Inanna's title as "Queen of Heaven" isn't there by accident and there is a certain amount of reverence shown to her by others. Or, maybe I'm just biased, but who can blame me

Originally Posted by NoOne

Nope, but if you want to contribute in that area, you're more than welcome to. I would have preferred to call this thread Anunnaki, but that term is now so loaded, that even the gods themselves avoid using it to refer to themselves and prefer Elohim. I consider the Biblical information on them pretty marginal and heavily edited. It is pretty clear that most of it was based on more ancient texts. Despite his many faults and lack of linguistic skill, Zecharia Sitchin actually did a pretty decent job of pointing out the parallels between the Bible and Mesopotamian myth. It is pretty clear for instance that Enki is the God that warned Noah about the coming flood and instructed him to build an ark to save civilisation. The Biblical God is clearly not just one person, but an amalgamation of many different gods, which explains a lot of the contradiction inherent in such an approach.

NoOne

I see here in the response to BigJohn that I was wrong to post on this subject.

The only Elohim I know of is the Hebrew word (Elohim) written by the Hebrews.

So your use of the word Elohim that your speaking of I have no knowledge of.(And would like to bow out)

[Melahin]

@NoOne I was told that they don't need to evolve, so that was my understanding from what I was told that they might be the greatest "beings"... whether they have anything to do with the Annunaki so I'll just enjoy the conversation and see what might come up.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

NoOne

I see here in the response to BigJohn that I was wrong to post on this subject.

The only Elohim I know of is the Hebrew word (Elohim) written by the Hebrews.

So your use of the word Elohim that your speaking of I have no knowledge of.(And would like to bow out)

Of course, I understand that.

Most people are not comfortable discussing this subject, the way I do. It certainly doesn't mesh with mainstream religious belief.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by Melahin

@NoOne I was told that they don't need to evolve, so that was my understanding from what I was told that they might be the greatest "beings"... whether they have anything to do with the Annunaki so I'll just enjoy the conversation and see what might come up.

In my interpretation, they are higher-dimensional beings, rather than omnipotent. So, they can do things that to us may appear miraculous, but it is routine for a higher-dimensional being. The physicist Michio Kaku wrote about what a higher-dimensional being would look like and be capable of from our 3D perspective and they certainly seem to match that description.

[FairyCrystal]

If you feel that way about Inanna you are basically following a pantheon. There's loads of different ones, Egyptian, Greek, Norse, Celtic and so on. Typically each pantheon has the same archetypes, like a god/dess of war, love, home & hearth etc.
They're all based on something.
Also do not get how the greys got in here. They have nothing to do with heavenly hierarchy. They're a very unpleasant race that messed with human beings, created monstrosities by cloning and GM which caused a lot of pain that can still linger in our cell memory. And allegedly is the reason we cannot use our full brain capacity.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by FairyCrystal

If you feel that way about Inanna you are basically following a pantheon. There's loads of different ones, Egyptian, Greek, Norse, Celtic and so on. Typically each pantheon has the same archetypes, like a god/dess of war, love, home & hearth etc.
They're all based on something.

Yes, true. I feel that the same gods and goddesses exist in pretty much any culture, but because they're non-corporeal in their prime state, people assign different forms and names to them based on their own cultural background.

Inanna is actually the best example of that, because her spread from the ancient middle east is very straightforward to track. Going West, she became:

Ishtar > Astarte > Aphrodite > Venus

Going East, she became:
Durga > Tara > Kwan Yin

These are all different aspects of her, but her essence remains the same, no matter which name or form we associate with her.

Also do not get how the greys got in here. They have nothing to do with heavenly hierarchy. They're a very unpleasant race that messed with human beings, created monstrosities by cloning and GM which caused a lot of pain that can still linger in our cell memory. And allegedly is the reason we cannot use our full brain capacity.

I agree with what you say about the greys, don't think I mentioned them actually. They may very well be what Christians refer to as demons. They are interdimensional and have no souls. Possibly, they are artificial life-forms, or at least cloned / artificially enhanced to such an extent that they can no longer be considered natural biological life.