Do You Believe In Man-gods...or man and God?

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by Mathew James

imo, God should be remembered first and then praised for all of what God has provided to humanity.



mj

imo, "worship" is more the the worshipper than for "God". that which invokes my surrender isn't impressed with praises and prayer repetition.

Originally Posted by Internal Queries

well, i tend to believe more in personal experiences than in man written scripture.

being on ones knees is about "surrender" ... not worship. there's a difference.

According to your experience, do you think a person who establishes a company like to be forgotten?

Do you think it is great to make a company without rules?

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by slave of Allaah

According to your experience, do you think a person who establishes a company like to be forgotten?

Do you think it is great to make a company without rules?

company? you mean like a for profit corporation? or maybe "for prophet"? yeah. i guess one can view religion that way.

while there is no doubt that i am interacting with an affinity collective (whose rules are simply love and honesty), my relationship with the Supreme Whatever is entirely personal.

btw Internal Queries, I would like to know the difference between worship and surrender, and whether surrender means submition as well.

Thank you very much previously.

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by slave of Allaah

btw Internal Queries, I would like to know the difference between worship and surrender, and whether surrender means submition as well.

Thank you very much previously.

imo, worship is the projection of self and cultural glory onto a god concept via praises, prayer and ritual. whereas surrender is the individual's submission to Divine Circumstance (which worship mimics with symbolic surrender).

Originally Posted by Internal Queries

imo, worship is the projection of self and cultural glory onto a god concept via praises, prayer and ritual. whereas surrender is the individual's submission to Divine Circumstance (which worship mimics with symbolic surrender).

I really like your distinction! I agree completely.

[Mathew James]

sounds like word games


mj

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by Mathew James

sounds like word games


mj

only if you believe that an external show of piety or petitioning the lord with prayer equates to the soul's surrender to "God".

someOne who is in the process of surrender will understand where i'm coming from

Originally Posted by Internal Queries

only if you believe that an external show of piety or petitioning the lord with prayer equates to the soul's surrender to "God".

someOne who is in the process of surrender will understand where i'm coming from

Agreed. Worship keeps God at a distance. For some people that is what they want spiritually. God is up there and we down here praying, begging, groveling, and praising something far away and distant that we may never have a direct experience of.

Surrender is the active pursuit of God in a very intimate way. It brings God directly into your life here and now. It is incredibly intimate because to surrender means to give everything you are to God. It's done out of love and complete trust. Surrender is worship however worship is not surrender.

[Mathew James]

IQ, yes many people have an external show of piety. But that does not relate to remembering God and praising Gods glory. I know you know that I know you know i know that.

Generally speaking, most people do not remember God and that is all God really wants from us. There are no physical acts required or external shows. It is purely a spiritual state of mind where a person thinks about God. Then if we are remembering God and looking at the creation God created for us, a person will generally be thankful and praise God because we see it is all part of Gods devine nature. And if a person is truly thankful they often can surrender to God.


mj