Invitation to question my view

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Maisy

The human population on earth has gone from a few thousand to over 8 billion. That's a lot of new souls. I think the absolute is always changing as it adds new souls to it's reality.

Another perspective is that creating new souls for the increasing number of bodies on Earth is unnecessary.

Let us say that in the Earth scheme as a whole there are 25 billion souls either in incarnation or out of incarnation. This figure is picked at random. So back in 1900 there were 1.6 billion physical bodies available, and now there are over 8 billion bodies available. This creates more opportunities for souls to take human birth. So now there are more souls in incarnation and fewer souls out of incarnation, but the overall number of souls has not changed.

Just another perspective.

Peace

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

All these relativities and confusion and suffering and feeling completely lost. Never knowing what to do to alleviate suffering in endless newly arising forms. How can I accept that this state of being will last for all eternity.

You tell yourself a story about how things are, you believe this story and therefore you suffer.

Can you let go of your story, let go of all these ideas you have created about how you think things are?

In this moment there is peace and joy and stillness arising spontaneously within. Never mind eternity. That is just another concept. Simply be present now.

Or would you rather hold on to your story, even if it makes you suffer?

Peace

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by iamthat

This creates more opportunities for souls to take human birth. Just another perspective.

Yes true I think that's another way it can be. Or "we" can also have been in other life forms in the early earth, the dinosaurs, the great apes or anything really. I read of a person who had a life on an alien world as an intelligent creature that lived under water. But I think "human souls" are of a certain type and so more suited to certain brains but there are probably a range of physical creatures we could "fit."

The main reason I was was going with the idea of created new souls is this is described in the book journey of souls where people are hypnotized to remember what was going on between lives. What they saw and so on and some said they were aware of a group creating new souls. This was not a Godlike activity or process. It was simply having an advanced knowledge and understanding of different existing forms of energy and merging or splitting? or working with them in a certain way to produce a new self aware energy. They stated the outcome of the processes was not set and one would get a unique outcome and not all would be suited for a human life. It was kind of a luck thing as the outcome was always unique. Some would be more suited for an animal incarnation etc.

Creation there like here, is a result of using what we find or discover. Who or what made the things we find or discover? That is not known there or here. Like we are doing ton of things with DNA now that we discovered it, but who made or designed the DNA code in the first place? Unknown.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Maisy

Who or what made the things we find or discover? That is not known there or here. Like we are doing ton of things with DNA now that we discovered it, but who made or designed the DNA code in the first place? Unknown.

Indeed, there are a lot of unknowns. Not to mention the possibility of extraterrestrial manipulation of DNA in the distant past. We really know very little about our origins.

And I am familiar with Michael Newton and his work with life between lives. I never know what to make of the descriptions of soul groups working to create new forms of consciousness. Yet another mystery.

Peace

[Redchic12]

Edgar Cayce talked about how it all started here and were we came from and it’s a really interesting read.

Plus Delores Cannon talked about it as well and her narrative is a a lot simpler and easier to understand than Cayces. Both of them came thru a channeling.

The Aborigines in central Australia said the planet was seeded by the People from the Pleiades star group.

Iamthat: you stated Another perspective is that creating new souls for the increasing number of bodies on Earth is unnecessary

I don’t know if it really is a case of creating new souls as the population increases because I thought one soul can have many components to it and can SPLIT off into as many incarnations as needed. But of course I dont know that for sure.

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by iamthat

...the possibility of extraterrestrial manipulation of DNA in the distant past. We really know very little about our origins.

I remember reading in the Newton books a part about this person who remembered working on the creation and development of planets with life on them. This type of work they said was always done in a group. Various specialists were needed. They encountered a problem on one planet with one species pretty much wiping out all the others so they said they were going to tweak things, DNA and so on.

I read science news stories when they pop up on my feeds and there are some findings of human development from the great apes making sudden unexpected jumps based on found fossils. Like all of a sudden the pre-human ape hybrids suddenly get bigger brains. Like in one generation. The fossil records show a more highly developed and larger brain suddenly appearing.

I kind of put these two things together and figured beings just like us who work on things like that in the astral world just tweaked the DNA to increase brain size. It also makes sense to me in a way that "flawed" beings like us are doing it because the brain got bigger, resulting in a bigger head, which resulted in very painful and difficult child birth because the hips in the female skeleton did not get bigger to accommodate the larger brain and head. That's why today in modern times babies look like cone heads when born. Their larger heads simply do not fit through the hips and so get squished.

Makes sense to me human like creators are doing this stuff as they make mistakes and lack knowledge. They either forgot to make the hips bigger or could not figure out a way to do it. It's like a programmer who changes one thing and ends up breaking 100 other things as the code is so huge and complicated. It could be a lot more difficult to change bone structures in the hips than to increase brain size. It just seems unlikely a "God" was behind the sudden increase in brain and head size as an all knowing God would have also increased the hip size to accommodate the larger head.

Then also would an all knowing "God" create a planet and dinosaurs only to have some meteor or ice age wipe them all out? Sounds more like a "whoops" moment in creation. Something un planned happened in the creation.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by iamthat

You tell...
... makes you suffer?
Peace

I dont know how to stop suffering. The endless new things that arise in the now and confuse me.

I wish I could make peace with it all. I just dont know how. It all feels tormenting.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

I dont know how to stop suffering. The endless new things that arise in the now and confuse me. I wish I could make peace with it all. I just dont know how. It all feels tormenting.

It sounds like you find life very challenging. And maybe no amount of advice will ease your confusion. I can say that there is a centre of stillness and peace within. If this is present in me then it is also present in you. The difficulty is in letting go of all the movement so we can rest in this centre of stillness and peace. All we can do is persist.

Peace

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by iamthat

It sounds like...
... we can do is persist.
Peace

Thank you for your kindness. I hope I can experience stilness in me more consistently. I can only hope. I hope so much. To find peace that lasts.

[movingalways]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

I dont know how to stop suffering....I wish I could make peace with it all. I just dont know how. It all feels tormenting.

iamthat told you how to stop suffering (as have many) but you continue to ignore the sage advice given to you. iamthat said: "you tell yourself a story about how things are, you believe this story and therefore you suffer". Do you understand that your story of eternal duality is just as fictional as the story of "Cinderella?"

What sets you apart from most who are caught in their stories about how things are is that you are tormented by yours. Which, believe it or not, is the beginning of wisdom. Why? Because on an unconscious level, we know our stories of how things are are not true but out of fear of what will happen when we stop believing them causes this knowledge to remain hidden. For me, the torment of story-telling while intuiting their untruth finally became too much and I opened up to listening to the stories of others who had dropped their stories. Eventually, even the stories of how to drop stories pained me and I was finally ready to drop all stories of I am. But first things first.

There is a biblical scripture that was given to me and supported me as I was in the process of letting go of the need for a story of how things are, perhaps it will help you. The language, of course is couched in the times in which it was written (parenthesis mine):

"For all tables (stories) are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk (stories), and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little." (the weaned are taught the knowledge of 'where' it is clean gradually so as to overcome fear).