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05-03-2019, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Taking a Break
I have no proof that there is a god, but I am convinced that invisible beings exist.
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06-03-2019, 08:46 AM
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No point attaching to labels imo,there lies where the evil started.
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06-03-2019, 10:17 AM
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Lessons, bla bla bla...
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Shall I give you dis pear?
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06-03-2019, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight
Lessons, bla bla bla...
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Have a problem with those?
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"Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen. Not any religion or cultural system. I am not from the East or the West, not out of the ocean or up from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not composed of elements at all... I belong to the Beloved, have seen the two worlds as one and that one call to and know, first, last, outer, inner, only that breath breathing human being."
Rumi
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06-03-2019, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Shabda
Have a problem with those?
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As a matter of fact, yes I do.
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06-03-2019, 02:52 PM
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Master
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Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight
As a matter of fact, yes I do.
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Why? It appears to be contempt based on the "bla bla bla," but if I am wrong about that feel free to correct me. If I am correct then I am curious as to why that is.
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"Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen. Not any religion or cultural system. I am not from the East or the West, not out of the ocean or up from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not composed of elements at all... I belong to the Beloved, have seen the two worlds as one and that one call to and know, first, last, outer, inner, only that breath breathing human being."
Rumi
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06-03-2019, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Shabda
Why? It appears to be contempt based on the "bla bla bla," but if I am wrong about that feel free to correct me. If I am correct then I am curious as to why that is.
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All the evil and unrighteousness in the world being shrugged off as mere lessons. Not really a fan of that...
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06-03-2019, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight
All the evil and unrighteousness in the world being shrugged off as mere lessons. Not really a fan of that...
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That is fine, but, does that make them anything other than that? Is that necessarily the same thing? A person might choose to do a negative thing fir whichever personal motivation, and regardless of there being a Divinity overseeing anything or not, wouldn't the victim of that action learn from it and potentially find ways to protect themselves from such things going forward?
Self preservation usually dictates to us to do that if at all possible in the interest f not having to go through it again. Would that not be a lesson at the very least in how to deal with the choices and actions of others as they enter our lives? Going through a negative experience does not have to be the end of it, and the individual discovering options that they hadn't been aware of before might also be called "learning a lesson." And that isn't necessarily a bad thing, in fact some would see that as empowering.
Whether or not there is a God watching all of this and allowing it or not doesn't actually change any of that progression of events, and of course many thing there IS a God others think there is none, and still others think that we ARE God. But do any of those options change what happened or that a thing was learned, even if it was just as simple as "Don't trust everyone that comes along and be aware as possible of their motivations."
What IS changeable in all three of those scenarios is how much is learned by the two involved, and to what degree does their understanding penetrate. Understanding is another thing that is highly changeable, it evolves as we experience more, so we continue learning. That happens regardless of the individual's opinion about whether or not there is a God, and if so what defines it.
Now, I respect that your opinion is what it is, and I do not seek to change it, i am only suggesting that the opinion itself may change many times throughout your life. As that happens, lessons also happen in this world. I'm not sure that can ever be changed.
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"Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen. Not any religion or cultural system. I am not from the East or the West, not out of the ocean or up from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not composed of elements at all... I belong to the Beloved, have seen the two worlds as one and that one call to and know, first, last, outer, inner, only that breath breathing human being."
Rumi
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06-03-2019, 04:20 PM
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Evil deeds done
Brings us to the ONE
Choice is how we roll
To whom we pay the toll
One choice brings the sting
Another makes us sing
How else could I soak in sun
Unless darkness BE undone
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06-03-2019, 04:31 PM
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Isn't God above dualism ? Is God a conscious or an unconscious energy?
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