The Nature of Experience.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

Getting it and believing we've got it are not always the same, Gem.

People pretend they get it, but really they just say what they think, because this fundamental of being and/or non being are just two radical points of view.

There is only to see and see for ourselves.

[sound]

If something is 'experienced' can it be called real?

Originally Posted by Gem

We can be sure what we believe is not true because no two experiences are the same and belief is always changing too.

The think is, how can something in flux and change be called 'real' ... which changind belief can be called true?

It can be called bob if you like lol.

We can never see our own eyes. But when we look out at the view, it reflects where we stand.

The view changes because we change where we stand.

But we are not what we see...we are the eyes that we see with.

It doesnt matter what you call the view, the word is arbitrary....the important thing is being able to use the view to guide you.

Originally Posted by Gem

How do you guys think experience happens?

I think experience is the whole point of this mess we call living. For the sake of context, I'll point out that I believe that All Is One. If I am right, the question that then needs to be asked is "if All Is One, then why do we perceive ourselves as separate?"

So let's do a little thought experiment. Imagine yourself suspended weightless in a spherical, white room. The temperature is perfectly neutral, neither hot nor cold. There is no noticeable light source, nor are the walls themselves illuminated, there is simply whiteness, like the Construct from the first Matrix movie, where Morpheus breaks it to Neo that his previous life was a dream within a prison for his mind. Because there are no shadows, no corners, there is no way to tell the dimensions of this room; the walls could be an inch out of reach or they could be miles away.

Now imagine next that you are also completely paralyzed; you have neither sensation nor visual awareness of your body. It may as well not exist. You cannot even feel yourself breathe or refocus your eyes. Remove next all sound, even your heartbeat, breathing, and even the ringing in your ears. Finally, remove all memory of any other existence. All you know, all you have ever known, is this still, formless whiteness. You don't even have memory of language, so the constant chatter that goes on in the mind of nearly everyone is barred to you.

Could such a state even be called existing? Would there be any way to prove to yourself that you even are? This state is The Void, the UnTime, the singular not-point at which pure Oneness existed before all existing and all befores. It is a state/not state which we cannot properly describe except through negative language; we can say what it is not, but not what it is. In the absence of That Which Is Not, That Which Is, is not.

Now, inject into this perfect not-state a single red dot. Ahh, so much opens up because of this! First, and most important, this allows for the consciousness in this state to have identity, because at last there is something which it can perceive which it is not. Thus the first, primal duality, This and That, are now possible. Location can now also be derived, because in order for This and That to exist, there must be a imaginary point between the two, the Neither. Now put this red dot into motion. Even more revelations! Time, distance, memory, all of these now become possible. All from a little red moving dot.

This is the point of all of physical reality, to be "little red dots", points of reference necessary for All That Is to exist. Unlike our thought experiment, Oneness cannot even create a point of reference without, because "without" does not exist. The only place is Within, from Itself. Part and parcel with this creation is that these Points Within must be unconscious of their reality as aspects of the Whole, otherwise this game of pretend would come tumbling down like a house of cards in a windstorm. So we must forget that we are One so that we can rediscover it, and thus experience it.

Thus, experience happens because we believe in a daydream of separation, but this daydream is necessary in order for the experiences to be possible.

CS

born with a conscious, die and remain conscious without a body

other then your short lived one potential life on earth. the universe knows how it works, even if we dont because, really it doesnt matter, it just is

mother nature+father time+ LOVE

im in love with nature, its great, no clouds at all, clarity

[Gem]

Originally Posted by sound

If something is 'experienced' can it be called real?

I think that's as real as it gets....

Then the experience can be felt on subtler deeper levels evoking feelings and sensations so delicate ... as perception can be deeper and deeper uncovering ever more detail and finer and finer ... and more.

the nature on earth of pure experience, oneness with nature is intense.you can tell your not alone, you divine intervention is there as your subconscious, my world is different, watch the multiplying and diving, knowing life, we will make the finish line i know for sure

red light, red light, stop your rumors, we taking over

Gem, At the very basic level, we have experiences as a result of our perceptions and conceptions. My friend and teacher said that we actually have 6 senses, the usual 5 (taste, touch, hearing, seeing, smelling) and a 6th one, conceptual thought.

With these 6 senses, we are a complete unit, a total package, and, bottom line, if we don't perceive it or conceive it, it hasn't happened for us. If we experience it, it is real for us. What we do with those perceptions and conceptions, from that point, in on us.

Originally Posted by Gem

How do you guys think experience happens?

As in spiritual experience????