Self - open discussion

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by xxheatherxx

I'm human, and I dont have those beliefs lol. It may be that there is a time to look at different ways of understanding the words....but there is a time to let that understanding go. And I know what I mean by self, it just doesnt need explaining anymore. Sometimes, it is worth asking if you still need the explanations.

What belief? The belief that you are an I and a self? Sorry, but I would say that you do have those beliefs. For as long as you are functioning like a regular human, then on some level you believe that you exist, therefore you see who you are as an I and a self.

Do you ever talk of accepting yourself, or loving yourself, or forgiving yourself? Do you ever use the word 'yourself' in conversation? Have you ever said that you like or dislike yourself or that you are happy or unhappy with yourself? Do you ever think about yourself?

These are just a few examples of hundreds in which we talk about an I and a self that we 'have'.

Self is what I perciev/see me as in any given moment.

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by xxheatherxx

Self is what I perciev/see me as in any given moment.

Yes, that makes perfect sense to me.

Originally Posted by andrew g

Yes, that makes perfect sense to me.

then why would you talk about the hundred different ways? If the moment changes the perception of self might change...but is it in battle with the way you last saw it....it might just taken its sweater off or put one of a different colour on.

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by xxheatherxx

then why would you talk about the hundred different ways? If the moment changes the perception of self might change...but is it in battle with the way you last saw it....it might just taken its sweater off or put one of a different colour on.

I meant there are a hundred different ways in which we talk about having a self. You demontrated one of them above in which you talked about an 'I' that perceives a 'me'. Its a split.

Originally Posted by andrew g

I meant there are a hundred different ways in which we talk about having a self. You demontrated one of them above in which you talked about an 'I' that perceives a 'me'. Its a split.

In what way?

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by xxheatherxx

In what way?

Well, in your mind you have given existence to an 'I' and a 'me'. When clearly there is only 'you', whether it is the 'I' or the 'me' (take your pick). 'You' are not the 'I' AND the 'me'.

If i had to say a quick answer, id say, the self is everything, its our connection to everything, and partialy mabey soemthing to do with our indivituality

[hybrid]

Well, in your mind you have given existence to an 'I' and a 'me'. When clearly there is only 'you', whether it is the 'I' or the 'me' (take your pick). 'You' are not the 'I' AND the 'me'.

what is seen as a self is actually a self image or a reflection of the self. it is a common mistake to be mistaken as the actual self.

if it can be seen, it is a mirror image.

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by hybrid

what is seen as a self is actually a self image or a reflection of the self. it is a common mistake to be mistaken as the actual self.

if it can be seen, it is a mirror image.

Yes, thats a cool way of looking at it. A mirror image or reflection.