Lonely road

[Phoenix_Dawn]

Do you see a spiritual path as a lonely road? I feel like it's always been that way for me and I am not sure why that is, because I try to remember that all is one and be less judgmental, but I always feel like I ultimately have to walk alone and never know real love or connection...

How can this separation from everything and this feeling of being an outsider be a spiritual thing??

[Johnathanrs]

Originally Posted by Phoenix_Dawn

Do you see a spiritual path as a lonely road? I feel like it's always been that way for me and I am not sure why that is, because I try to remember that all is one and be less judgmental, but I always feel like I ultimately have to walk alone and never know real love or connection...

How can this separation from everything and this feeling of being an outsider be a spiritual thing??

Because that is a specific path in spirituality that everyone goes through. I went through it - everyone does at some point in time. It is what I label as the path of one. It is what connects one to the void, or to the last ego. I imagine you are pretty far along in your spiritual path right now. Something that might help you out is knowing that although you are indeed alone in your beliefs and you may be spiritually aware that you are the only one that truly exists, there exists higher realities beyond ones understanding.

A mental model that I like to use is the concept of a school system. You have elementary, middle, high, and college. You might be at the end of high school, but you are getting ready to become a student within college at the end of your journey and get access to realms beyond your imagination if you so choose.

I did a quick youtube search and found a few posts by other people that might help you out. I am not affiliated with any of these people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cz8BvZ4t_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H72eKauPXx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVguLPD-Qp8

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Phoenix_Dawn

Do you see a spiritual path as a lonely road? I feel like it's always been that way for me and I am not sure why that is, because I try to remember that all is one and be less judgmental, but I always feel like I ultimately have to walk alone and never know real love or connection...

How can this separation from everything and this feeling of being an outsider be a spiritual thing??

Surely this applies to all aspects of life. Whatever we do, we are alone. We come into the world alone, we die alone. Between birth and death, we are always alone.

Of course, in life as in the spiritual path, we may share the journey with other people for shorter or longer periods of time, but we experience these other people as our sense impressions interpreted by our own minds. We are never not alone. Even the state of oneness does not remove the isolation of the lower self. And that is OK.

If you want to know real love, then find it within yourself. If you want to experience connection, then celebrate being yourself with whoever you are with.

Peace

[Johnathanrs]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Of course, in life as in the spiritual path, we may share the journey with other people for shorter or longer periods of time, but we experience these other people as our sense impressions interpreted by our own minds. We are never not alone. Even the state of oneness does not remove the isolation of the lower self. And that is OK.

If you want to know real love, then find it within yourself. If you want to experience connection, then celebrate being yourself with whoever you are with.

Peace

Partially correct. We are alone. In fact, there is a entire ideology built around it. When you truly understand things from a higher perspective, you will find that all truths are correct. Including oneness and that is the true thing that is OK.

As someone who has never experienced this yourself, please stop belittling others experiences, because to me, it comes across as that. I know you are just trying to help, but there are times when a good heart isn't enough. Even though I love these type of movies - there is a truth that one must accept when it comes to its limitations. When he is going through is a real inner truth that becomes apparent to people who are far beyond what you are preaching. I recommend actually watching some of the videos I linked above, those guys, to a extent, know what they are talking about.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Johnathanrs

Partially correct. We are alone. In fact, there is a entire ideology built around it. When you truly understand things from a higher perspective, you will find that all truths are correct. Including oneness and that is the true thing that is OK.

As someone who has never experienced this yourself, please stop belittling others experiences, because to me, it comes across as that. I know you are just trying to help, but there are times when a good heart isn't enough. Even though I love these type of movies - there is a truth that one must accept when it comes to its limitations. When he is going through is a real inner truth that becomes apparent to people who are far beyond what you are preaching. I recommend actually watching some of the videos I linked above, those guys, to a extent, know what they are talking about.

An interesting response.

I was not aware that I was belittling the OP's experience, I was simply pointing out that being alone is a fact of life for everyone both on the spiritual path and in life in general.

And I was certainly not saying that oneness does not exist, because it most certainly does. Oneness is the highest solitude, because we realise that there is only the Self and there is nothing outside the Self. The lower self is alone because it is separate from the rest of creation The true Self is alone because there is nothing except the Self.

You really have no idea what I have experienced or where I am coming from, so your post is made up of certain presumptions which reflect more where you are coming from.

Peace

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by iamthat

An interesting response.

I was not aware that I was belittling the OP's experience, I was simply pointing out that being alone is a fact of life for everyone both on the spiritual path and in life in general.

And I was certainly not saying that oneness does not exist, because it most certainly does. Oneness is the highest solitude, because we realise that there is only the Self and there is nothing outside the Self. The lower self is alone because it is separate from the rest of creation The true Self is alone because there is nothing except the Self.

You really have no idea what I have experienced or where I am coming from, so your post is made up of certain presumptions which reflect more where you are coming from.

Peace

Okay, I'll say it: it doesn't.

"Oneness" is a misunderstanding. It is looking backwards towards where we originated. Ahead is only expansion and individualization. (see my signature)

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by inavalan

Okay, I'll say it: it doesn't.

"Oneness" is a misunderstanding. It is looking backwards towards where we originated. Ahead is only expansion and individualization. (see my signature)

Many would disagree with you.

Peace

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by inavalan

Okay, I'll say it: it doesn't.

"Oneness" is a misunderstanding. It is looking backwards towards where we originated. Ahead is only expansion and individualization. (see my signature)

Looking back, looking forward it’s all one stream of awareness. Time space is irrelevant to ‘oneness’. So where your looking is about ‘what your seeing and realising’.

Origin is expansion, have you forgotten?

Of course if your still seeking individuation and expansion then you might not realize this as the ‘one’ identifying as the ‘oneness’.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by iamthat

An interesting response.

I was not aware that I was belittling the OP's experience, I was simply pointing out that being alone is a fact of life for everyone both on the spiritual path and in life in general.

And I was certainly not saying that oneness does not exist, because it most certainly does. Oneness is the highest solitude, because we realise that there is only the Self and there is nothing outside the Self. The lower self is alone because it is separate from the rest of creation The true Self is alone because there is nothing except the Self.

You really have no idea what I have experienced or where I am coming from, so your post is made up of certain presumptions which reflect more where you are coming from.

Peace

And of course, I can just as easily argue the opposite and say that no-one is alone because we are all connected on every level. Paradoxically both are true. Supposedly we all belong to a soul group which belongs to yet larger soul groups which belong to an even bigger soul group of Humanity as a whole. So we are never alone!!

But in terms of the original question, it seems that we need to recognise and accept that we tread the spiritual path alone, as no-one else can do it for us. But we can still enjoy the company of others who temporarily share with us different stages of the journey.

Peace

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by iamthat

And of course, I can just as easily argue the opposite and say that no-one is alone because we are all connected on every level. Paradoxically both are true. Supposedly we all belong to a soul group which belongs to yet larger soul groups which belong to an even bigger soul group of Humanity as a whole. So we are never alone!!

But in terms of the original question, it seems that we need to recognise and accept that we tread the spiritual path alone, as no-one else can do it for us. But we can still enjoy the company of others who temporarily share with us different stages of the journey.

Peace

This actually raises the questions to ponder on: what is a spiritual path?

Where is it supposed to lead? Do we want to / have to go there? why?

What is a spiritually advanced person supposed to be able of?

This question expands further into: should spiritual practice prepare one for the life here in the physical, or for the beyond in the non-physical?

Are we here to make the best of here, or to prepare for our return to where we came from?

Why are we here?