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Old 03-05-2021, 11:00 AM
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Ropbert Spira is right, but he left a bit out.It also explains reincarnation.When we are plucked from the universal consciousness,We may have a part of another soul with us,we are all one.

Or, might that extra soul, either whole or in part, be other nasty depleted spiritual beings connected to us...and of whom are deceiving earthlings into believing such things.

I put it forward that I know that it as I experience it. And i know that this is why some earthlings do not realise that they have been seperated from the flesh for ever more, and why they loiter around the earth instead of moving on away from the earth.

Experiences Experiences Experiences, with many dark & or evil minded beings, has wrought out the truth. That is if an individual can see through their eronious truths, that they would have us believe.

The prayer from the padgett messages, IT IS THE LAST PARAGRAPH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TOWARDS REGARDING EVIL SPIRITUAL BEINGS, INFLUENCING EARTHLINGS....ps, the capital letters are only to draw attention, & are not yelling.

The prayer given by Jesus as the only prayer….
December 2nd, 1916.

Received by James Padgett.
Washington D.C.

I am here, Jesus.
Let your prayer be as follows: -

Our Father, who art in heaven, we recognize:

That Thou Art - art all holy and loving and merciful, and that we are the children of Thy care and not the subservient, sinful and depraved creatures that our false teachers would have us believe.

That we are the greatest of Thy creations and the most wonderful of all Thy handiworks, and that we are the objects of Thy great Soul’s love and tenderest care.

That Thy will is that we become at one with Thee and partake of Thy great love which Thou hast bestowed upon us through Thy mercy and desire that we become, in truth, Thy children; and not through the sacrifice and death of any one of Thy creatures, even though the world thinks that one Thy equal and a part of Thy godhead.

That Thou will open up our souls to the inflowing of Thy love, and that then will come Thy holy spirit to bring into our souls, this, Thy love in great abundance until our souls may be transformed into the very essence of Thyself; and that there may come to us faith - such faith as will cause us to realize that we are truly Thy children and that we are one with Thee in very substance and not in image only.

Let us have such faith as will cause us to know that Thou art our Father and the bestower of every good and perfect gift, and that only we, ourselves, can prevent Thy love changing us from the mortal to the immortal.

Let us never cease to realize that Thy love is waiting for each and all of us, and that when we come to Thee with faith and earnest aspirations, Thy love will never be withholden from us.
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Keep us in the shadow of Thy love every hour and moment of our lives, and help us to overcome all temptations of the flesh and the influence of the powers of the evil ones who so constantly surround us and endeavor to turn our thoughts away from Thee to the pleasures and allurements of this world.
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Biblical scripture refers to the evil ones, though very poorly.

Smiles and regards once again.
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Old 04-05-2021, 08:16 AM
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Hey Matey,

So when everything else was taken away what is left that can realise that consciousness is present .
I didn't realise that consciousness was present, Dazza, because there was nothing to realise. Consciousness becomes conscious of itself.
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Old 04-05-2021, 07:28 PM
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I didn't realise that consciousness was present, Dazza, because there was nothing to realise. Consciousness becomes conscious of itself.

Hey,

Well I generically asked 'Who here has realised what consciousness is'?

to which you replied, 'I have, it was all that was left when everything else was taken away'.

So it's a bit tricky isn't it to say you have realised consciousness and yet there is nuffin to realise

So we are left with no self, no sense of I AM, no sense of the mind or the world and yet we can still say that consciousness is conscious of itself or awareness is aware of awareness as some have described it .

Even the thought or notion that consciousness is conscious of itself has to be a mindful thought and I wonder while nuffin is present that relates to self how can there be a thought of that .

This is why I say that what is realised only comes about through self that hadn't realised something to be a certain way .

When we start to associate consciousness and awareness to be 'all that is' for instance, that isn't realised, it a thought that one has about what you are and what everything else is .

If there is nothing there when self is no more and everything has dropped away so to speak, then what is left that can make such statements?



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Well I generically asked 'Who here has realised what consciousness is'?
to which you replied, 'I have, it was all that was left when everything else was taken away'.
Hi there Dazza

You can be conscious that you have the thought of I am - if you're lucky - but consciousness is not the thought of I am. You can become I am itself beyond all thought but that's a very different beastie, and then you can become conscious of that. CAN become conscious of it, because having the thought and being conscious of having the thought are two different beasties. Thoughts are 'objects', they have properties and values and everything else that gives them existence within our minds. Similarly with realisations, they seem to come from nowhere but the unconscious, to the conscious mind, is 'nowhere'. So no, it doesn't come from self or what most people think self is and this is why there's so much confusion - if people don't know what self is they don't know themselves, all they know is they have a belief but they don't realise that.

They are not conscious that the self and the belief of what self is are not the same, and if you're going to get Spiritual on this the self is a kara or 'invented thing' that is their Ahamkara - Aham being 'I'. People invent definitions to suit themselves but they become the invention rather than the self they have redefined.

Consciousness is epiphenomenal, which means it is beyond cause, effect and every other phenomenon. It doesn't need the thought of being conscious, it exists in its own right - sorta kinda because words aren't much use. The thought of consciousness and what it might be is not consciousness, consciousness becomes conscious that there is a thought of what consciousness is so it's 'above' the mental processes. It's like there's another 'layer' above. Realisations are part of the mental processes, 'technically' they're the outpourings of the unconscious mind that we become conscious of.

It sometimes helps to think about what we are conscious of and having consciousness itself but that's for the mind's understanding. Because when everything has dropped away, what is left?
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