THE GREATEST and 2ND COMMANDMENT

[sky]

Originally Posted by ketzer

God doesn't have to make sense, that is what smiting is for, people who question God. So get smitten with God or you will be smited.
Peace be with you.

Peace be with you. [/quote]

Pax Vobiscum

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Jesus spoke of the greatest commandment and the second commandment.
Why are these two commandments so difficult to follow?

Hey, Speak for yourself.
In your own way you did say 'we'...which you do not care for, as stated. Tricky isn't it?

Hard to love something with all your heart mind and soul when you have not had direct contact with whatever it may be.
Rule of thumb: You must know that which you love.

Then, the 2nd Commandment falls into place...because with direct contact comes much insight and knowledge so you
end up knowing exactly who that neighbor is and who you are.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky123

If you read the WHOLE article you Posted from you will see ' Penalty ' used many times...

Once more I ask you to show me where it says 'Penalty'. I do not see it. There is no reason for you to not show me so as to settle this issue.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky123

' I asked you to cite this teaching of Buddha which you so far refuse to do.'

The Article you Posted is NOT Buddha's Teaching therefore I cannot cite it for you .

It is Monastic Rules NOT Dhamma , you should know the difference through your Buddhists Wife/Daughter and Family explaining to you.

I did ask you for the Sutta/Sutra which you didn't give me. If you read the WHOLE article you Posted from you will see ' Penalty ' used many times...

From my view point, the Tipitaka is the Pali canon for Therevada Buddhism that contains Buddha's teachings.
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The first division of the Tipitaka is Vinaya Pitaka:The Basket of the Discipline.

The first section of the Vinaya Pitaka:The Basket of the Discipline is Suttavibhanga.

Suttavibhanga's first section is Parajika: rules entailing expulsion from the Sangha (Defeat)


In the Pārājika: Rules entailing expulsion from the Sangha (Defeat) it reads:
1. Should any bhikkhu — participating in the training and livelihood of the bhikkhus, without having renounced the training, without having declared his weakness — engage in sexual intercourse, even with a female animal, he is defeated and no longer in affiliation.



Is this not true?

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky123

The word Command-ment is not a mockery at all, it is what it is.

If somebody twisted Buddhist words around, would you not think it was mockery?

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Why did Buddha speak numerous times that if a person did certain things, they could no longer associate and in many cases, were 'caste out'? Is that not a form of punishment?

Originally Posted by sky123

Can you point out the Sutta/Sutra please.... then I can discuss it..

If you look at my original statement, it dealt with "Why did Buddha speak numerous times that if a person did certain things, they could no longer associate and in many cases, were 'caste out'? Is that not a form of punishment?"

I think I have answered your question sufficiently.

[sky]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

From my view point, the Tipitaka is the Pali canon for Therevada Buddhism that contains Buddha's teachings.
.
The first division of the Tipitaka is Vinaya Pitaka:The Basket of the Discipline.

The first section of the Vinaya Pitaka:The Basket of the Discipline is Suttavibhanga.

Suttavibhanga's first section is Parajika: rules entailing expulsion from the Sangha (Defeat)


In the Pārājika: Rules entailing expulsion from the Sangha (Defeat) it reads:
1. Should any bhikkhu — participating in the training and livelihood of the bhikkhus, without having renounced the training, without having declared his weakness — engage in sexual intercourse, even with a female animal, he is defeated and no longer in affiliation.



Is this not true?

Ask your Buddhist Wife/Daughter or even Family to explain ' Parajika ' They are PENALTIES for breaking Monastic Rules which is what you previously Posted a few lines from but not all of the article which is why I suggested you read the entire article. You Post a few lines but refuse to read the complete Rules.



Monastic rules and traditions binding on every Buddhist Monks and Nuns. In this article I will discuss the four Parajika - the disrobing offences.


The word parajika (in the ancient Indian language called Pali) is usually translated as 'making the doer defeated'. In effect it means that the offender MUST DISROBE.

The four transgressions which incur a Parajika, the penalty of automatic disrobal, are as follows: etc etc.....

Your Wife/Daughter or Family who are Buddhists can very easily discuss these Rules with you as I haven't the time

[sky]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

If you look at my original statement, it dealt with "Why did Buddha speak numerous times that if a person did certain things, they could no longer associate and in many cases, were 'caste out'? Is that not a form of punishment?"

I think I have answered your question sufficiently.

What you Posted are a few lines on Monastic Rules which are not Suttas/Sutras

[sky]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

If somebody twisted Buddhist words around, would you not think it was mockery?

Command-ments are what they are..... Commands, no mockery just the truth.
You are given Commands to follow and if you refuse or ignore these Commands you are threatened with PUNISHMENT....

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky123

What you Posted are a few lines on Monastic Rules which are not Suttas/Sutras

Are you saying the Tipitaka (the Buddhist canon/scriptures )does not contain any of Buddha's teachings?