Was Jesus a Socialist?

[sky]

Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

for me it depends what the opinion is. i don't feel compassion for evil people. in fact, i want them to be punished, for their own good and learning of course. i think it is a kind of evil to not punish or push back on evil as that just leads to evil doing more evil as the bible says here:

Isaiah 5:20 ESV
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Matthew 6:13 ESV
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Proverbs 3:7 ESV
Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.

many new age types hate the word evil though so have to call it ignorance or something softer. but the soul is not evil, it is led into evil works by the ego. so it's not the true person that is evil, the soul, it's other stuff we get involved with or in. so when i say the person is evil, i mean the ego, not the soul, so not really the true person

The ' Ego ' is not evil, a healthy flexible ego is an important tool on the path to awakening.

[sky]

Originally Posted by inavalan

If you believe in the existence of "evil", you accept the normality of hate, anger, fear. That's detrimental to your well-being at every level.

I believe that reality actually works the other way around: hate, anger, fear cause those who experience them to also experience "evil".

Ego isn't evil; it is an integral part of your whole-self. You just have to harmonize your ego with the other parts, and skillfully use it for what it is: your whole-self's interface with the physical framework.

If your left hand is less proficient, you don't call it "evil", you integrate it and use it.

Exactly

[8fold]

Originally Posted by sky123

The ' Ego ' is not evil

It can be,if left to it's own devices,through lack of will.

Originally Posted by inavalan

If you believe in the existence of "evil", you accept the normality of hate, anger, fear. That's detrimental to your well-being at every level.

i think the opposite is true. if one can't recognize evil and fight it, they feed it, sustain it, become it, let it loose on the innocent. it's not even a belief. it is plainly evident like your hand. recognizing evil is higher awareness. it has nothing to do with hate, anger, or fear. if anything those pretending there is no evil are fearful. then they hate and are angry with anyone who disagrees with them, which is a form of evil. but those who lead sheltered pampered lives are not to blame for their ignorance as they have no experience with evil.

Originally Posted by inavalan

I believe that reality actually works the other way around: [b]hate, anger, fear cause those who experience them to also experience "evil".

i think that is that common new age belief that we cause all of our own suffering which is hurtful non-sense to me. innocent people get murdered everyday and worse. it is not their fault. kids get fatal diseases. not their fault. jesus was murdered by evil people. not his fault. it's like that belief some new age people have that we cause our own illnesses. i have a friend that died of a 99% curable illness because his wife believed she could heal him with her spiritual powers so she did not let him go to a doctor.

Originally Posted by inavalan

Ego isn't evil; it is an integral part of your whole-self. You just have to harmonize your ego with the other parts, and skillfully use it for what it is: your whole-self's interface with the physical framework.

If your left hand is less proficient, you don't call it "evil", you integrate it and use it.

or many of us, souls, subdue a lot of ego as that is what our spiritual level is. so it's not that some ego's are not evil, it's that we are keeping them under control and in check. i don't think it is about integration at all. we are either going with ego and usually harming some other person, or feeling superior to others in some way, or angry at others, holding on to that past hurts with anger, or we have recognized and put away the ego, subdued it's non-sense and unloving nature.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

i think the opposite is true. if one can't recognize evil and fight it, they feed it, sustain it, become it, let it loose on the innocent. it's not even a belief. it is plainly evident like your hand. recognizing evil is higher awareness. it has nothing to do with hate, anger, or fear. if anything those pretending there is no evil are fearful. then they hate and are angry with anyone who disagrees with them, which is a form of evil. but those who lead sheltered pampered lives are not to blame for their ignorance as they have no experience with evil.



i think that is that common new age belief that we cause all of our own suffering which is hurtful non-sense to me. innocent people get murdered everyday and worse. it is not their fault. kids get fatal diseases. not their fault. jesus was murdered by evil people. not his fault. it's like that belief some new age people have that we cause our own illnesses. i have a friend that died of a 99% curable illness because his wife believed she could heal him with her spiritual powers so she did not let him go to a doctor.



or many of us, souls, subdue a lot of ego as that is what our spiritual level is. so it's not that some ego's are not evil, it's that we are keeping them under control and in check. i don't think it is about integration at all. we are either going with ego and usually harming some other person, or feeling superior to others in some way, or angry at others, holding on to that past hurts with anger, or we have recognized and put away the ego, subdued it's non-sense and unloving nature.

I disagree on (almost) every point you made. It happens.

Originally Posted by inavalan

I disagree on (almost) every point you made. It happens.

that's a good thing!

[sky]

Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

i think the opposite is true. if one can't recognize evil and fight it, they feed it, sustain it, become it, let it loose on the innocent. it's not even a belief. it is plainly evident like your hand. recognizing evil is higher awareness. it has nothing to do with hate, anger, or fear. if anything those pretending there is no evil are fearful. then they hate and are angry with anyone who disagrees with them, which is a form of evil. but those who lead sheltered pampered lives are not to blame for their ignorance as they have no experience with evil.

i think that is that common new age belief that we cause all of our own suffering which is hurtful non-sense to me. innocent people get murdered everyday and worse. it is not their fault. kids get fatal diseases. not their fault. jesus was murdered by evil people. not his fault. it's like that belief some new age people have that we cause our own illnesses. i have a friend that died of a 99% curable illness because his wife believed she could heal him with her spiritual powers so she did not let him go to a doctor.

or many of us, souls, subdue a lot of ego as that is what our spiritual level is. so it's not that some ego's are not evil, it's that we are keeping them under control and in check. i don't think it is about integration at all. we are either going with ego and usually harming some other person, or feeling superior to others in some way, or angry at others, holding on to that past hurts with anger, or we have recognized and put away the ego, subdued it's non-sense and unloving nature.

You said in a previous Post that the ' Ego ' is satanic, I asked you was Jesus satanic when He said ,

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

He use ' I ' and ' Me ' which obviously comes from the ego. Do you think these are satanic words ?

[sky]

Originally Posted by 3Pnut

It can be,if left to it's own devices,through lack of will.

I would say lack of Wisdom rather than will.

Originally Posted by sky123

You said in a previous Post that the ' Ego ' is satanic,

can you post where i said the ego is satanic? i don't think i would ever use the word "satanic," i guess i can search for it since i have nothing to do right now. ok i will look for it!

i could not find anywhere i said that but i like this:

here is a catholic priest talking about the ego or false self: i had to cut this quote down to a few sentences per forum rules:

"Every one of us is shadowed by an illusory person: a false self (and) we are not very good at recognizing illusions, least of all the ones we cherish about ourselves and which feed the roots of sin. A life devoted to the cult of this shadow is what is called a life of sin and for most people, there is no greater subjective reality than this false self of theirs, which cannot exist."

https://cac.org/the-illusion-of-our-...lf-2017-08-15/