Killing insects

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by livingkarma

The above is contradictory ...

Consistency provides credibility ...
The use of practical knowledge & constructive debate skills are excellent qualities & defines adult conversation ...
Their use is simply respectful conduct ...
It keeps the conversation on an even keel instead of having to continually raise its level back up ...
And keeps everyone on topic ...

Hmm - interesting you should be the one to comment ...
I was actually thinking of someone else who spitfires retorts & rhetoric ...

It is not contradictory at all.

Everyone's statements are a reflection of their 'soul light'.
One advocates killing - and doing so without even any pang of conscience - and someone else advocates not killing on grounds of compassion and mercy.
Each is an expression of their light within.

And with teaching, usually there is consequence, because teaching sows a seed. For good or ill.

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by Ecthalion

Living Karma; this is a subject which I feel very passionate about. Living souls are being deliberately killed when it is not necessary. Forgive me if I don't use fancy words or deep arguments. I care about life though, and I make no apologies for that.

Ecthalion, you are a lion! You speak from the heart and it is a noble heart.

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

It is not contradictory at all.

Everyone's statements are a reflection of their 'soul light'.
One advocates killing - and doing so without even any pang of conscience - and someone else advocates not killing on grounds of compassion and mercy.
Each is an expression of their light within.

And with teaching, usually there is consequence, because teaching sows a seed. For good or ill.

And this is the Garden of Karma. It is not just about growing organic veggies, it is about growing organic Hearts and Spirits and Souls.

Originally Posted by Ecthalion

Living Karma; this is a subject which I feel very passionate about. Living souls are being deliberately killed when it is not necessary. Forgive me if I don't use fancy words or deep arguments. I care about life though, and I make no apologies for that.

There is no need to apologize for your beliefs ...
However, the point I was trying to make in the use of constructive debate skills & using practical sense knowledge when conveying a passionate message, treat others as you would like to be treated ...
People have passions, it's common courtesy to not be offensive by spitting their beliefs at others ...
I'm here to share, gain insight, support & help others as well ...
I just think there is room for improvement w/communication skills & keeping
the topic on an adult level to hopefully plant seeds for future consideration ...
I am conscious of my writing to not offend others, however, they are some that no matter what is said they take it personally instead of ojectively ...
You as well as others & myself need to be aware of ourselves to facilitate our own growth/improvement ...
Obviously, it's work but it's work for our greater benefit as well as others ...
As for insects, some feel compassion for them others do not, it is what it is ...
Take care ...

[alamode]

Originally Posted by Ecthalion

Living souls are being deliberately killed when it is not necessary.

Its necessary to do a of killing in order to eat. In order to grown plant foods, the grower has to do a lot of killing. All around the world, both organic and conventional farming methods have to kill billions of animals in order to protect their crops. Its a complete fantasy to say that one can avoid killing for food. One is actually doing less killing when living off of animal foods. There is way more killing involved in growing plant foods.

Originally Posted by alamode

Its necessary to do a of killing in order to eat. In order to grown plant foods, the grower has to do a lot of killing. All around the world, both organic and conventional farming methods have to kill billions of animals in order to protect their crops. Its a complete fantasy to say that one can avoid killing for food. One is actually doing less killing when living off of animal foods. There is way more killing involved in growing plant foods.

Well, I have done a lot of organic gardening myself and have never had to or wanted to kill anything.

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by Mayflow

And this is the Garden of Karma. It is not just about growing organic veggies, it is about growing organic Hearts and Spirits and Souls.

Yes!!!!!!!!!! So plant LOVE.

Originally Posted by alamode

Its necessary to do a of killing in order to eat

Lies. No killing is necessary in order to eat a vegetarian diet.

Originally Posted by alamode

In order to grown plant foods, the grower has to do a lot of killing.

No he/she does not.

Originally Posted by alamode

All around the world, both organic and conventional farming methods have to kill billions of animals in order to protect their crops.

Billions? Utter dribble. Where do you get your figures from?

Originally Posted by alamode

Its a complete fantasy to say that one can avoid killing for food.

No, it is not. It is the butchers, slaughterers and economists who thrive on death of animals for a living who convince "us" that a meat diet is necessary.

Originally Posted by alamode

One is actually doing less killing when living off of animal foods. There is way more killing involved in growing plant foods.

First of all, plants do not have to die in order for us to eat them. For example, fruit trees.

Secondly, even my meat-eating friend read this with disbelief!

If this idea helps you sleep at night, I wish you sweet dreams. I, on the other hand, cannot rest whilst animals are killed for human pleasure.

[alamode]

This thread is about killing insects, well billions of insects are killed with insecticides and pesticides used throughout the world in order to grow human food. Agriculture involves killing hundreds of animals for the protection and maintenance of those crops. Hundreds of animals (gophers, rabbits, birds, insects, etc.) die each time a field of grains, beans, rice, soy and other vegetation is harvested. Multiply that by all the crop fields world-wide year-round and that equals billions of animals that die in order to grow crops for humans consumption for the billions of people that live on Earth. Plants that are harvested normally eat animals too (i.e. fossil-fuel derived fertilizers, blood and bones, manure, etc.) The soil eats animals too (millions of tiny organisms in every ounce of soil). The soil is a “Predatory” life form. All life forms must eat something that was once alive. So yes, if I live off of one cow for a year, my food for the year did a lot less killing than all the killing involved in eating plant foods.

[linen53]

Hee, hee, I just couldn't help but chuckle. Great pov alamode.