Pope Francis ordered a 10% pay cut for cardinals

#1 25-03-2021, 07:51 AM

Cardinals who work and live at the Vatican or live in Rome are said to get salaries of about 4,000 to 5,000 euros ($4,730 to $5,915 dollars.) what they need all that money for? they are single and have no kids!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p...-idUSKBN2BG1LG

i thought being a cardinal was like being a monk where you got no cash. apparently not!

sky · #2 25-03-2021, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

Cardinals who work and live at the Vatican or live in Rome are said to get salaries of about 4,000 to 5,000 euros ($4,730 to $5,915 dollars.) what they need all that money for? they are single and have no kids!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p...-idUSKBN2BG1LG

i thought being a cardinal was like being a monk where you got no cash. apparently not!

As I pointed out in a previous Post, all R/C Clergy are provided for and given a Personal Allowance. If you are ' Employed ' by the Vatican you receive a Salary as do all other ' Employees ' in any walk of life....

I have 2 Priest's 3 Nuns and a Vatican Cardinal amongst my Ancestors and Document's/Wills/Estates etc: show they all accumulated enough money to live a comfortable life.

There are some Orders who take a Vow of Poverty, that is a different situation and any Financial gains they receive from anywhere is given to the Order.....

Altair · #3 25-03-2021, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

Cardinals who work and live at the Vatican or live in Rome are said to get salaries of about 4,000 to 5,000 euros ($4,730 to $5,915 dollars.) what they need all that money for? they are single and have no kids!

Are you saying earning 4000-5000 euros is only acceptable if you have partner and kids? That sounds like nonsense to me.
Who knows what these cardinals do with their money.

BigJohn · #4 25-03-2021, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

Cardinals who work and live at the Vatican or live in Rome are said to get salaries of about 4,000 to 5,000 euros ($4,730 to $5,915 dollars.) what they need all that money for? they are single and have no kids!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p...-idUSKBN2BG1LG

i thought being a cardinal was like being a monk where you got no cash. apparently not!

Scriptures claim that those holding positions in the Church were suppose to be self supporting instead of getting paid.

Altair · #5 26-03-2021, 04:04 PM

If the practising faithful, the men of god, don't need the money according to scripture, then what is the purpose behind a 10% pay cut? Maybe it's just a matter of *image building*, an attempt to gain reputation. If you earn 5K than 500 euros ain't a huge deal. But I'm no socialist and I can imagine even cardinals need money in this modern world to get somewhere so I won't hold it against them. Should the cardinals own nothing and completely surrender to begging and dependency instead? Hmm..

sky · #6 26-03-2021, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Altair

If the practising faithful, the men of god, don't need the money according to scripture, then what is the purpose behind a 10% pay cut? Maybe it's just a matter of *image building*, an attempt to gain reputation. If you earn 5K than 500 euros ain't a huge deal. But I'm no socialist and I can imagine even cardinals need money in this modern world to get somewhere so I won't hold it against them. Should the cardinals own nothing and completely surrender to begging and dependency instead? Hmm..

There is nothing written in Scripture regarding the Financial Laws of the R/C Clergy because they didn't exist when the Scriptures were written .... Obviously

Altair · #7 26-03-2021, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123

There is nothing written in Scripture regarding the Financial Laws of the R/C Clergy because they didn't exist when the Scriptures were written .... Obviously

Indeed. But one could question whether the cardinals need such an income. Is that in tune with the scripture? IDK, and I don't mind that they do, but it could be interesting to explore. Jesus said something about giving possessions away (voluntarily) , but at the same time one is saved if one believes. So would it be an issue if the cardinals earn that sum?

sky · #8 26-03-2021, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Altair

Indeed. But one could question whether the cardinals need such an income. Is that in tune with the scripture? IDK, and I don't mind that they do, but it could be interesting to explore. Jesus said something about giving possessions away (voluntarily) , but at the same time one is saved if one believes. So would it be an issue if the cardinals earn that sum?

If the Churches choose to pay them that's up to them, I personally do not care...

Altair · #9 26-03-2021, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123

If the Churches choose to pay them that's up to them, I personally do not care...

Me neither.

Just pondering the theology here. Yet another case of ''which scripture/passage is more authoritative?''
You could say it's gotta be ''belief in Jesus = salvation''. Though, according to the Catholic tradition, works/deeds are very important too.

BigJohn · #10 26-03-2021, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Altair

If the practising faithful, the men of god, don't need the money according to scripture, then what is the purpose behind a 10% pay cut? Maybe it's just a matter of *image building*, an attempt to gain reputation. If you earn 5K than 500 euros ain't a huge deal. But I'm no socialist and I can imagine even cardinals need money in this modern world to get somewhere so I won't hold it against them. Should the cardinals own nothing and completely surrender to begging and dependency instead? Hmm..

The scriptures indicate the Church leaders were suppose to be self supporting, otherwards have a job and not to be a burden on the Church.