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Old 31-07-2021, 08:06 AM
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The list could be very long……
I see Grace as the "ground of being", in which we "live and move and have our being".

In our world of diversification that follows, in linear time, grace then can manifest as "invitation", an "offer" , an exchange........which can morph into any human being thinking they have initiated grace by their act.

The Pure Land writer Unno has said that it is a necessary step on the path that we come to see that what we thought of as self-power (Japanese jiriki) was in fact Other Power (tariki.

As the Pure Land cobbler and myokonin Saichi wrote:-

O Saichi! Will you tell us of Other Power?
Yes, but there is neither self power nor Other Power.
What is, is the Graceful Acceptance only.
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To me the biggest example of sheer grace in the Bible was Jesus saying
to 'a criminal'....a criminal being killed for big crimes probably of a lifetime...
he was goin' to Paradise~!

Added: Well, gee, and every healing!! Now that is grace!! (being healed!)
It has happened to me by way of the Holy Spirit from a long long problem from an old injury.
(More than a few times!)


What is 'Pure Land'?
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Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru
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Old 31-07-2021, 11:16 AM
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What does preeminence mean in the Bible? superiority.
the fact of surpassing all others
  1. "the region has never regained the economic preeminence that it once enjoyed"
supremacy
greatness
excellence
distinction
prominence
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Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru
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Old 31-07-2021, 12:04 PM
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What is 'Pure Land'?

The sky123 answer:- Now.

The Cobbler's answer:- It is my own simple reference to what is more formally called "Shin Buddhism" and more specifically in my own case, "Jodo Shin Shu". It's "father" in time and space was Shinran, a contemporary of Dogen (13th century Japan) Each sought their "time and place".

The faith revolves around Amida, variously imagined and conceived. Some will see Amida as him (or her) "up there" or "out to the west" who comes to us at death to escort us to the Pure Land, the Western Paradise. Others will "know" Amida as Reality-as-is and the Pure Land is here, now, when seen in faith, with new eyes. And, I suppose, all points in between. We are all unique. The main point is not how Amida is "imagined" but the actual "realisation" of compassion in our mind/heart - which can in fact be greater in a simple soul with a more concrete concept of Amida. Therefore, ideally it is very egalitarian. Pure Land knows no "masters". We are all "bombu's", foolish beings, which has no intellectual connotations. One can recognise oneself as a bombu while having an IQ of 160. It is rather the recognition that we are totally incapable of engineering our own "salvation" in any way, shape or form.

Although in time it can be traced back to Shinran, who insisted that saying the nembutsu was the sole "practice" needed, its genesis is lost in the mists of time. Nagajuna, one of the greatest "philosophers" of Buddhism, originator of the Mādhyamika, Buddism's central philosophy, in fact wrote hymns to Amida. Scholarship continues, as it does in Biblical studies in Christianity.

That is about it for now.

Namu-amida-butsu

Or, as Meister Eckhart has said:- If the only prayer we ever say is Thank You, it is sufficient.
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Meister Eckhart has said:- If the only prayer we ever say is Thank You, it is sufficient.
I guess I should get out of the Buddhist Section since the above was the only thing I understood.
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I guess I should get out of the Buddhist Section since the above was the only thing I understood.


The nembutsu, Namu-amida-butsu, is in effect, Thank You. It is "sufficient".

"Not knowing why, not knowing why, that is the Namu-amida-butsu!" (Saichi)

Not understanding a word is a good sign!

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