Hell

The way God works is simply that we punish ourselves as long as we desire something else. All of hell and negativity are our own individual creations.

The problem with religion is they believe in belief, not hard factual reality. Humanity as we know it is technically in hell right now because the difference between the way we see things now and Heaven is night and day. You know as much about God as an ant knows about humanity.

Religions treat the bible like fans of a movie, even though nothing changed since the events of the bible.. you believe but you don't apply it to reality. Everything is good in the end and there is nothing to worry about but until then; Hell is yours and yours alone.

Anyone can know God for real, but it has to be the only thing they want.

[zastrakoza]

Originally Posted by PureEvil760

The way God works is simply that we punish ourselves as long as we desire something else. All of hell and negativity are our own individual creations.

Not just our own. We work in collectives. But at our essence, don't we all want to know love and nothing else? Maybe we are just confused between the real and the illusion?

Originally Posted by zastrakoza

Not just our own. We work in collectives. But at our essence, don't we all want to know love and nothing else? Maybe we are just confused between the real and the illusion?

All we know is illusion and that illusion is hell, it will stay with you beyond death.. in other-words you will remain you until you give yourself up in exchange for the Truth. Returning to reality is inevitable as sooner or later we will want nothing else. Demons are essentially people who just couldn't give themselves up.

[ayar415]

Originally Posted by PureEvil760

Demons are essentially people who just couldn't give themselves up.

No kidding. I have been trying to give myself up and would like to know how. Are you a demon like me too, PureEvil?

[zastrakoza]

Originally Posted by PureEvil760

All we know is illusion and that illusion is hell, it will stay with you beyond death.. in other-words you will remain you until you give yourself up in exchange for the Truth. Returning to reality is inevitable as sooner or later we will want nothing else. Demons are essentially people who just couldn't give themselves up.

You say well that returning to reality is inevitable. No spirit of truth confines all of us to illusion and hell as you do in use of "we." For the spirit of truth knows full well that we are all of God.

Originally Posted by PureEvil760

The way God works is simply that we punish ourselves as long as we desire something else. All of hell and negativity are our own individual creations.

The problem with religion is they believe in belief, not hard factual reality.

I haven't proofed this as an O P yet, but want to see if you get it, the way I put it.

It has to do with the same ultimate desire you speak of.
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Believer or not, your epitome of desire, is to be named the Greatest I am.

Religions are tribes. So are the various non-believing tribes.

Tribal leaders and shaman are the ones to be emulated by all of us so that we might become better than they are and depose them.

It’s like Jesus ascending and retiring God by taking the righthand judges’ seat. Jesus, in effect; deposed his father.

As things should be in a hierarchical progressive species like ours.

Leaders and shaman are the only ones who can claim being Greatest I am at any given point in time.

Religiously speaking, we want to and are encouraged by scriptures to try to emulate whatever we think of as God. God’s best-known speaker is analogically, Greatest I am.

Individually speaking, even you were born, instinctively speaking; thinking you were the fittest of your genetic line.

In that sense, your ultimate raison d'être and dream, even if you can come up with some other analogy in religious terms; is you want to be known as the greatest at something, including God.

Upon birth, your first thought was, I am.

Your second thought was, where is the Greatest I am so that I might be his friend, and depose him with better justice?

Who are the fittest you are now to compete with, to prove your fitness, is your next enlightenment.

This is all of us seeking idols to emulate and depose the current icon in our chosen competitions.

Jesus asks us to idolize ourselves, loosely of course, by asking us in scriptures, “have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?”

I have not given up my spiritual, religious, or political efforts to be seen as the greatest at something.

I am not Jesus, but I am curious. Have you given up on your religious birth rite to be a god?

That would disappoint Jesus.

Have you given up your genetic birth rite to be the fittest and excel in some field?

That would disappoint your ancestors.

They came from nature and nature demonstrably creates for the best possible end.

I see it as a shame when someone stops competing to be the greatest at something.

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by zastrakoza

. We work in collectives. But at our essence, don't we all want to know love and nothing else? ?

In our dualistic universe, that would be horrible.

You cannot only know love, because when you create any love bias, you automatically created a hate bias against all that would put what you love in jeopardy.

That is the argument that kills notions of unconditional love.

If that were possible in us, it would be horrible as then no one would be special to us.

It would be like living the way the horrid Christian heaven is spoken of.

No marriage. No divorce. Nothing special.

Yuk.

Regards
DL

[zastrakoza]

Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

In our dualistic universe, that would be horrible.

You cannot only know love, because when you create any love bias, you automatically created a hate bias against all that would put what you love in jeopardy.

That is the argument that kills notions of unconditional love.

I see we come from different worlds, as I do not live in a dualistic universe. Dualism is a created illusion, as is the Christian heaven. Specialness is part of the dualism illusion and elevates nothing in reality. In fact, it only lowers everything else in a false comparison.

Unconditional love is and takes nothing away from. As it is etermal, it cannot be "killed." What is impossible for one person is possible for another. For some, all things are possible.

Blessings,
Z

Originally Posted by ayar415

No kidding. I have been trying to give myself up and would like to know how. Are you a demon like me too, PureEvil?

I mean a demon is someone who continues for hundreds of years after death and becomes extremely twisted.

Technically though everyone that exists in our reality is wrong, is a 'potential demon'

Only Jesus was able to act as a normal human and within the Truth at the same time. If we were to obtain His level we would ascend and no longer exist here. Like Elijah in 2 kings 2.

There is no 3rd party that rewards or punishes you for being a good or bad person. You punish yourself via your own free-will choosing yourself instead of God.