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Old 11-05-2021, 01:53 PM
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Just thought that I'd let you all know,I'm half way through watching a video with Eban Alexander and I can assure you all he's NOT A liar.
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Old 11-05-2021, 10:41 PM
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I believe in reincarnation but have a problem with it. Too much suffering, too much pain for too many people. One may say, "Well, they chose that life before being reincarnated." Maybe so, but I don't see why one has to suffer in order to learn, grow, and self-actualize.
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Old 12-05-2021, 01:01 AM
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I believe in reincarnation but have a problem with it. Too much suffering, too much pain for too many people. One may say, "Well, they chose that life before being reincarnated." Maybe so, but I don't see why one has to suffer in order to learn, grow, and self-actualize.

There are many possible responses to this. A simple response is that suffering provides the motivation to seek an end to suffering, the best known illustration of this being the life of the Buddha.

And what is suffering? Suffering is continually having to deal with the limitations of form, the realisation that all form is temporary and nothing in form can ever provide permanent fulfilment. Which motivates us to seek that which is not temporary, to investigate that which lies beyond form.

There is also the suffering inflicted by humans on each other. This suffering is unnecessary but it reflects humanity's current level of development and ignorance. As humanity develops, this unnecessary suffering should cease, but that may be a long time in the future.

From an esoteric perspective, the Earth is considered as a planet of suffering. The benefit of this is that it provides a very intense learning experience, which is why consciousness chooses the Earth experience. But such learning cannot be achieved in one short lifetime, hence the need for reincarnation.

Of course, we could still learn and grow without all this suffering, but it would take much longer.

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Old 12-05-2021, 04:36 PM
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There are many possible responses to this. A simple response is that suffering provides the motivation to seek an end to suffering, the best known illustration of this being the life of the Buddha.

And what is suffering? Suffering is continually having to deal with the limitations of form, the realisation that all form is temporary and nothing in form can ever provide permanent fulfilment. Which motivates us to seek that which is not temporary, to investigate that which lies beyond form.

There is also the suffering inflicted by humans on each other. This suffering is unnecessary but it reflects humanity's current level of development and ignorance. As humanity develops, this unnecessary suffering should cease, but that may be a long time in the future.

From an esoteric perspective, the Earth is considered as a planet of suffering. The benefit of this is that it provides a very intense learning experience, which is why consciousness chooses the Earth experience. But such learning cannot be achieved in one short lifetime, hence the need for reincarnation.

Of course, we could still learn and grow without all this suffering, but it would take much longer.

Peace

Instead of focusing on what we have in common, it seems today we focus on what makes us different thereby creating "tribes" that insulate us. If you are not a member of a certain "tribe" you are viewed with scorn, especially if you don't adhere to the "tribes" narrative. We have made tremendous strides technologically, but emotionally we seem to be as immature as we were 1000's of years ago. It's a bit disheartening to see vituperations heaped on others just because they have a different world view. Fundamentally, we are alike a lot more than we are different, and I wish we would realize that and come together.
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Old 12-05-2021, 07:46 PM
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Instead of focusing on what we have in common, it seems today we focus on what makes us different thereby creating "tribes" that insulate us. If you are not a member of a certain "tribe" you are viewed with scorn, especially if you don't adhere to the "tribes" narrative. We have made tremendous strides technologically, but emotionally we seem to be as immature as we were 1000's of years ago. It's a bit disheartening to see vituperations heaped on others just because they have a different world view. Fundamentally, we are alike a lot more than we are different, and I wish we would realize that and come together.

Agree, and yet if we consider human development over the past 2,000 years then we see a steady progression towards unity. Yes, it is a slow process and there are setbacks, but we are now connected in ways which would have been unimaginable even 100 years ago.

And a further thought on the issue of suffering on this planet. I have read communications from various sources which state that despite all our faults and failings, we humans are held in high regard by those observing us from various dimensions because we have chosen such a difficult path of learning. And those humans who graduate from this Earth school to continue their learning and activities in other spheres have a quality of consciousness which is lacking in those who have taken less arduous paths.

Is there any truth to this? I have no idea, but it does make sense. As the saying goes, no pressure, no diamond.

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Old 12-05-2021, 07:56 PM
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Agree, and yet if we consider human development over the past 2,000 years then we see a steady progression towards unity. Yes, it is a slow process and there are setbacks, but we are now connected in ways which would have been unimaginable even 100 years ago.

And a further thought on the issue of suffering on this planet. I have read communications from various sources which state that despite all our faults and failings, we humans are held in high regard by those observing us from various dimensions because we have chosen such a difficult path of learning. And those humans who graduate from this Earth school to continue their learning and activities in other spheres have a quality of consciousness which is lacking in those who have taken less arduous paths.

Is there any truth to this? I have no idea, but it does make sense. As the saying goes, no pressure, no diamond.

Peace

I have read the same thing...that coming into this reality we figuratively cut ourselves off from the Source/All That Is. Eventually we find our way back...but the journey can be "challenging", lol.
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Old 13-05-2021, 07:05 PM
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Thought that have a chance on the account to identify with the reincarnation would be of help! That you can have a chance of control over the account -give and take after the perception—-must apply self control although you probably would only have memory of the interdiction or introduction part... I’ve reincarnated a few times and have small amount of memory and that was one avartar after another at one point —- the deposits are small and slow pulling, for the benefit! Scared is definitely the answer between the recreation...
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Old 14-05-2021, 05:39 PM
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I don't want to go through the horror of childhood, or to lose my identity, or worse be reincarnated as an evil person or someone suffering in a horrible part of the world.

I hate this idea that we are sent here to learn.
I'm sorry you're going through a difficult time right now. From what I understand, we have a lot of control and choice as to when and if we reincarnate and under what conditions and where and when.

I highly recommend that you read the Oversoul 7 Trilogy by Jane Roberts. From what I understand the three novels are based on her Seth channeling. The books cover reincarnation, soul groups and the afterlife.

I hope you're feeling better today.
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Old 18-05-2021, 01:46 PM
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I have terrible anxiety. I don't know why it has flared up again, but it has. Been a really rough two weeks. I am in constant emotional pain.

Everything scares me. The idea that this is all there is is horrifying given all the people who have died young, suffered nothing but miserable and wasted lives.

Reincarnation scares me for reasons I've already mentioned, whilst eternal return is the ultimate horror for me and the universe.

I just hope there is something in any NDE to back up my belief in the afterlife.

My belief is that, some entity travels back and creates the multiverse. It also creates a kind of heaven that is connected to each universe.

People's souls are downloaded into the heaven and there they are allowed to live out full and happy versions of their own lives.

IE you get to choose what your next life is. It's not full of horror, pain, sadness and you get to relive it again with no memory of your previous one.

That to me is the best afterlife. You're you, but you don't have to go through things like horrible childhood's school, or make the same mistakes again.
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Old 18-05-2021, 02:59 PM
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I have terrible anxiety. I don't know why it has flared up again, but it has. Been a really rough two weeks. I am in constant emotional pain.

Everything scares me.
Have you tried to control your thoughts yet?
Cuz they will make a life miserable when allowed to rule!
It's like giving the rudder of a boat to a pack of wild horses!
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