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Originally Posted by sky123
And letting a Puppy run free can cause conflict.
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The puppy was a metaphor for our unconsciously arising thought stream. The "running free" was the mid point...the final point was,
then even better is it is not my dog, not my puppy... somebody else's so it does not have to concern me at all, or non-identification with these types of thoughts as self or from self.
Really this unconsciously arising thought stream does run free. We have no control over some aspects of it. But it seems to run on a kind of energy we provide to it.
Like this metaphor. Seeds naturally grow into plants. We have no control over this existing reality. But, we can provide water to the seeds or plant them somewhere there is no water, thus the potential linear phenomenon, seed to fully mature plant, never happens.
An unconscious thought forms, becomes conscious, we are indifferent to it, nothing phenomenal occurs, no effect to us. Nothing grows or flowers or comes to be from it. We have to provide energy and attention to these types of thoughts for them to produce an effect.
It's like where Buddha was asked if he was a god or a man....he was asked to state a belief or opinion about what he was, at a moment he had no interest in opinions or beliefs, he was asked to provide something he had no interest in and no relationship with.
If I am simply here, with no interest in my thought stream nor any interest in what it is saying, how can I answer some conceptual question? I can answer a experiential question though. But see the flow between conscious awareness and thought is of a different type.
Buddha, are you a god or man?
The flow here is to look in thought for the answer. Look in the conceptual, the imagination.
Buddha, are you a god or a man? ~ "I am awake"
"I am awake" is a description or expression of what I am experiencing, not what I am believing.
The flow is from experiencing to describing using mind, the conceptual. So the flow is not looking in the mind for an answer, instead one has the answer experiencially, then uses the mind to describe it.
Buddha, as one living non-conceptually or non-verbally, would not know directly what a man or a god was intellectually or as ideas. He perceived he was there and conscious, aware, so simply "What are you?" "I am awake." or look for yourself..... What am I as you perceive me without concepts or beliefs about me? See for yourself, experience for yourself what I am.