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04-05-2025, 08:53 AM
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How would you define a person?
What is a 'person'? There are many people who would not call God a person. Is being a person superfluous to spirituality? Certainly it seems the case that people are unimportant in the grand scheme of things, because they die like flies.
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04-05-2025, 09:25 AM
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If you are God pretending to be an individual where does that leave personhood?
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04-05-2025, 09:28 AM
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For me the God that I am is the Person that I am. God is the I am, pure personality. At the same time God transcends the personal. God is both pure Being and the ground or field out,of which being or the person arises.
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04-05-2025, 12:43 PM
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Quote:
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What is a 'person'?
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A soul inside a body of flesh to be able to exp this 3rd Dimension?
And when the flesh dies moves onto new experiences and adventures?
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones...Meditate unceasingly, that you may
quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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04-05-2025, 01:04 PM
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Is being a person superfluous to spirituality?
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I find the body is not superfluous to spirit just as experience is not superfluous to spirit itself. It is through body. It is part of a relationship and experience. Spirituality can be what we know as spirituality is not a thing. A person (body) is consciousness itself except we don't know that. The body is temporary but consciousness is not. The relationship maybe about learning. Great question imo.
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04-05-2025, 06:51 PM
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Great answers. Kind of sorted out my confusion.
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05-05-2025, 08:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Honza
What is a 'person'? There are many people who would not call God a person. Is being a person superfluous to spirituality? Certainly it seems the case that people are unimportant in the grand scheme of things, because they die like flies.
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What some call God is very playful and loves trying out different things. It has been said God is a master physicist.
A part of God some call the Soul or the higher vibrating Self is in every human body, which is a person purposely dumbed down to very low spirituality without much wisdom and benevolent maturity to start off as part of a much grander and bigger divine plan.
Perhaps it is not so much about what a person is, but rather that the person is gifted with free will to freely choose.
Free will to choose some things that God will never choose.
Truly an amazing but extremely challenging human adventure of self discovery that we bravely and passionately “jumped in line” for when not in the physical form pretending to be humans and in our true whole multi-dimensional quantum home on the other side of the self imposed Veil of Forgetfulness.
While as human persons what will we choose, how will we behave, and what kind of world will we forge for ourselves when gifted with rare free will, temporary forgetfulness of what we truly are, and be left alone with minimal divine intervention for fair free will.
Multi-dimensional quantum energy is amazing, able to “split” into many parts with all parts remaining energetically connected and entangled much like how human identical twins are.
It then is interesting that parts of the human body are multi-dimensional quantum energy receivers and transmitters.
We as humans have never been alone without God because a part of God is in us all that is pure unconditional love.
God is not a person, and not singular.
God is that eternal and infinite conglomerate, infinite meld, infinite confluence of all love energies that form the Whole of which each one of us is a very tiny part of.
Love that is the most benevolently powerful and highest vibration multi-dimensional quantum creative energy and much more.
The cycle of human life and death is simply a cycle of transitions. Transitioning in to become humans, and transitioning out of being a human. All to see if we while as humans could evolve to finding that our true nature is pure unconditional love, and that God and us are not separate.
God is very playful, always trying out different things. Would be quite boring if there was only one type of flowers, or one type of animals, or identical humans.
Everything is equally important in the grand scheme of things. All the gears regardless of their sizes in a mechanical clock are equally important for the clock to work.
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06-05-2025, 06:46 AM
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Yes. I don't believe in a personal God (I believe in infinite unconditional love), and no one really knows what a person is, but it is a great question because there is a self-image, and we have to imagine 'what a person is' to have social systems. E.g. I'm her brother, he's my boss, they are my friends, she's my wife and so on.
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06-05-2025, 06:49 AM
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I think I got a bunch of this from a Tolle video I watched recently but it would be like we are a combination of a lot of different things. Past life traits, habits, perhaps some traumas from childhood and growing up and life in general, habits for sure from this life and other lives maybe, conditioning and patterns of thinking and behaviors, addictions etc. Like everything playing a role in who and what we are as we go through life. Tolle mentioned some may live in violent environments and that too effects who and what a person is. The environments we are born into and live in. The kinds of people around us and in our lives. Then he mentioned our thinking habits and patterns as well. But then all of this could probably be transcended and we become more about love and emptiness I suppose.
I would define a person as who we meet and interact with. We interact with persons and have different relationships with them. Some we may love and some we may hate. Really that depends on how they treat us. The ones who treat us well we love or like and those who make us suffer and try to hurt or harm us we learn to hate or dislike. I'm sure some we may dislike may be loved by others. It's all about how they treat us and others. It's like a lady who kicks the little dog and loves and nurtures the big dog. The big dog will love her and the little dog will fear her and hate her. It's the same lady but she is a different "person" to others based on her interactions with these others. That's a fascinating thing. No one is one person, the same person, to all others. Everyone would see us in their own unique way based on what we did or said to them, how we interacted with them, and their own conditioning and personal biases as well.
Then comes the question of who are we to ourselves? Some love themselves, have big egos, others hate themselves. Some are confident and outgoing and others are timid and shy. Some don't like their own thoughts and personalities and others love their thoughts and personalities. Seems like "person" is an experience of another or our own selves. Our own thoughts and thinking and actions. It's a curious thing as one can not like what they do yet do it anyway. Feel like they can't stop doing things they don't want to do. Being a "person" or a human being is a complicated thing. According to Tolle, one should learn to not try to make now anything other than what it is. To accept it. Not resist it. Focus on the what is, and not what we think about it. In that way it does not become "personal." It just is how things are. In a way, it is learning to be, to experience not as a person, but just as presence. A presence free of thought and thinking. Just be present, not as a person, just as awareness. That would be a certain kind of person as well.
I think I read somewhere someone said we are three persons. The one we think we are, the one others think we are (this is a lot more that 1! - everyone we know!) and then the one we actually are. I don't think anyone is the same person all the time. Sometimes we are a better person than at other times. Sometimes we are in a good mood and other times a bad mood. Sometimes we are stressed and that may make us snap at others. Other times we are calm, peaceful and patient. Our thoughts can sure make us react (and feel) in a myriad of ways. There's who we are moment to moment, that is always changing based on so many things. Then maybe there is who we really are, under our thoughts and thinking, an innocent unaffected soul that is just love.
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06-05-2025, 07:07 AM
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It's kind of like "person is who we are. If we are following our conditioned habitual mechanical thoughts and mind, that is the person we are. If we are instead ignoring our thoughts and mind, discarding thoughts as they arise, who are we then? Well a totally different person or not a person at all. What if we did two things? One, ignore everything we think. Two, never do what thought is conpelling us to do. So ignore the thought, don't do the action. What are we then? Well a person who is ignoring their thoughts and the actions thought wants. At some point we have to eat etc... so we have to decide which thoughts to ignore and which we should do. Discernment! Wisdom? Life is complicated!
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