How do thoughts arise ... along with duality?

Originally Posted by MikeS80

We learned to attach time of watching a person walk across the street.

The reason we have the system we have is because of the Sumerians, and before that they would build stone circles to chart the seasons and the years. Back then they didn't need a watch to know that the sun rose, travelled across the sky and set again. We were born with a perception of what we call time, we weren't born with a watch. It probably began when we were toddling across the floor. Time is not about memory it's about perception and we don't have the faculties to perceive it in any other way, usually anyway.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

The reason...
... other way, usually anyway.

Seasons are not absolute, sometimes things seemingly change to similar things, but they are self similar expansions of infinite ever expanding variety, that is fractal and inseperable extensions of infinity. In your communication you are using duality to navigate to the reality where your physical extension is describing the fractal perception of physical universe being the source of perception. Funnily enough, infinite existence has infinite capacity to support any perspective. To infinity and beyond, exactly because every perspective is not free from duality. If it were, all consciousness would instantly be swallowed by it, in present past and future simultaneously, and permanently.

And so any perspective will never be free from duality, which is that which ensures the expansion of that perspective into more variety of inseperably similar nature. Eternally. Ever extendingoy. Duality is thus what puts the eternalness into eternity. And eternity cannot be avoided. If it could be avoided, the possibility of consciousness would already cease to exist before it was even created.

So that isnt the absolute reality or nondual source of duality. As duality is the omni presence of the fractal nature of all experienced&non-experienced reality&dimensions including its source consciousness.

This universe is fractal. Time is fractal. And all perceptions and dimensions are fractal. Your individual human timeline is a fractal and all simultaneous dimensionally related timelines of all your experienced and non experienced parallel realities and timelines are also fractal vibrations of your consciousness, which is a vibrational fractal of infinite other things that was, is and will be, beyond this univere. Nonphysical nontimespace. But that doesnt mean there is no dimension/duality/vibration/change there, it is just that the cycles of consciousness is based on nearly impossible to communicate relativity/duality/vibration. People who stop caring always win in the human communication, but they lose in the unavoidable desire to realise the nondual.

Even beyond time, consciousness can change at frequencies that are more all inclusive than not just all human perception (which are just dimensional fractals), but all time and space dimensions, because it is a more sourcy or primary frequency, extensionally. It is more closely related to the nondual absolute infinity, but still not it... Just a better approximation.

People say that this source consciousness is non dual and nonvibratory and non fractalised, because they can get away with it. I don't know any human who has discovered the relativity at the level of Source Consciousness. It requires an experience of billions of reincarnations. To lose interest in human perception, thus also lose interest in the onvious futility of communication, except to awaken desire, and actually investigate the relativity of Source Consciousness to further seek the infinitely ever expandingly impossible task of nondual realisation. That requires an embracing of the unavoidable eternal journey of consciousness. To seek evermore realisation, through ever less resistance. As eternity and resistance are very volatile together.

Higher/deeper/broader/greater/moreSourcy/morePrimary non-physical consciousness can and is always communicating, infinite intelligence. But they cannot prevent their communication from becoming fractalised by time. Because they cannot prevent your leading edge extensional consciousness from shifting frequency. So at best their communication will be true temporarily and also depends heavily on near impossible to maintain faith/agreement/allowance/nonresistance, and guided mastery of duality/cocreation.

And their desire to communicate does not come from them alone, but equally as much from us here on the leading edge, who are asking for those communication. So it is not free from duality. Without the question, there would be no answer. So consciousness cant transcend duality except by creating it. Which is useless for one who seeks absolute nondual realisation.

The creator of our universe and all consciousness' is just an extension of a previously completed universes that transcended into non-physical resolve of all of its infinite dualities, that took them infinite amounts of time, compared to the length of just their tiny little physical aspects of their universe from beginning to end. Are you noticing a cycle here? Yes, you will also become God and create universes.

Will this make you free from duality? Nope. And that is why everything you create will also always contain duality, just like the source from where it came.

If the creator of you is not even free from duality, then the temporary and relative realisation of nonduality is also not free from duality. That means there is absolutely no difference between your consciousness and Source consciousness. Or God Consciousness. But what makes them identical is not a good thing alone. It is your equal nature of duality that makes you identical. Did we just find the Source of Duality? Nope. We just found a more primary understanding of duality.

Even if you stop creating universes or you create infinite more universes or neither or both at the same time, you wont be free from duality unless you realise nonduality, at which point you will lose consciousness and what will remain is a dual consciousness again, and it is you. Meaning, nondual Source of duality/consciousness/relativity cannot be realised through consciousness and neither nonconsciousness. As you wont find anything in the nonconsciousness obviously, but consciously seeking it will develop the desire required to identify vibrationally, the possibility for nondual nonvibratory realisation. But that nonconsciousness is not about a misperceived nonsentience or a denial of the consciousness of the elementary dimensional consciousness'.

This possibility for nondual realisation exists forever relatively in the ever expanding relative realisation of the infinite ever expanding absolute eternally unchanging omnipresent nondual absolute law of CREATING: The omniversal response that vibration has to vibration, cocreatingly. That which is what makes every fractal a fractal. This eternal process of realisation is extremely mindboggling to the human mind. So often the great task is delegated to its own greater more capable non-physical Source Consciousness. Which is why often people get the intuitive intention to "kill" me when I talk too much about the eternal journey of nondual realisation. And I agree, but I dont need to die, I can just go to sleep and accomplish the same thing: letting my non-physical consciousness continue the eternal process. From which there exists no currently known escape, neither in the exploration of the illusion of death, being any different than sleep, with some added navigational/definitional realisations.

When the realisation happens through death, or non-physical, this universe will already have completed its purpose and there will be infinite more to replace it. To continue the eternal duality process of the infinite ever extending nondual realisation. Through infinite more, and more new and more noval dualities of ever expanding higher realisation of also its ever expanding resolution, extensionally also inwardly.

Basically the ramblings of a madman who mocks God for loving duality so infinitely much, while so eternally denying its own hatred of its own hatred. lol
And then becomes petrified for mocking God and its love of duality. Also lol. It's all a big joke anyway.

Is it possible that I am wrong? Yes, 99.999999% of what I say is wrong. And whatever is left is me, experiencing what I say as the truth. While everyone else is doing the same. But they dont use the word duality to describe their truth. They just evaporate into thin air when I mention the duality of their their truth. And then I am left with the duality of my own truth, that is also the truth of seeking the Source of its truth, only to discover that it is a lie that contains the same desire to realise the absolute nondual Source of its eternal truth of duality.

[movingalways]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

Basically the ramblings of a madman who mocks God for loving duality so infinitely much, while so eternally denying its own hatred of its own hatred. lol
And then becomes petrified for mocking God and its love of duality. Also lol. It's all a big joke anyway.

It appears as if the sages who wrote the Rigveda sometime between 1500 and 1000 BCE realized 'it was all a big joke' but here most of us are, thousands of years later, still not laughing hard and long enough to GET the big joke:

The Hymn of Creation, the Basham 1954 translation:

Then even non-existence was not there, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the space beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping?
Was there then cosmic fluid, in depths unfathomed?

Then there was neither death nor immortality
nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.

At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined cosmic water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of knowledge.

In the beginning desire descended on it -
that was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is, is kin to that which is not.

And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.

But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?

Whence all creation had its origin,
the creator, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
the creator, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows — or maybe even he does not know.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by movingalways

It appears...
... or maybe even he does not know[/i].[/b]

Thanks, beautiful quote. This prime desire or seed is exactly what I have been talking about all along. That is proof of how source consciousness is still governed by a more all comprehensive duality than even its creatorhood everexpanding recreatorhood of this universe.
And even the highest intelligence in our universe has denied its existence, in exactly the same flawless fractalised 50% infinite division of the ether or The One infinite darkness that Einstein knew existed and he wanted to proof it but got deviated by the politics of human science for different subjects regarding relativity, leaving him surprised that one of his experiment which "disproofed" the ether, because it was falsely disproofed but it wasnt realised at the time, also due to lack of of time and deviation by human scientific politics, leaving him without the very proof that would have proven everything but also would leave that proof unknown by humanity, which left him broken at the end of his life. Oh how convenient of a duality... No! It is the nature of existence!

Now the significance of what his soul actually already knew, is not often realised except by very few. Like "Master of Reality - Mark Fiorentino"

This text you shared is also referring to the seed of desire that caused God to create duality, or reality, and I'm glad you shared it, because it proofs that existence is a fractal furthermore. If people already knew it back then. There have also been infinite civilizations far more technologically advanced than ours on just this planet alone. They come and go like an infinite fractal. Just like the duality cycle of the dual clock of excitement and non excitement that governs God or Primary Source Consciousness in creating and non-creating that scientists now call the time crystal.

And it is indeed the first light, and why God INEVITABLY created gabriel, as the primary duality of self and other, before he created the secondary duality/dimension of hell and heaven to show gabriel by fractalised extension of itself. How the fractal IS STRUCTURED in an all comprehensive superdetermistic way, by extension of the very Time Crystal that birthed His Seed of Desire to Create in the first place!

The time crystal is the secret that God never speaks about, because it breaks the soul of those who realise that God is not beyond duality. That even God is not free from the cycle of 0 and 1.

The same secret is revealed by gabriel to the Islamic community, to be remaining a secret/mystery. Meaning it is all about the duality of free will and the infinite dimensional dualistic and relatively ever expanding vibrational and unavoidable fractal illusion of it. This 500-600 A.D. text fractally repeats what people seem to have already discovered so long ago, as mentioned in your text.
In the Islamic text chapter 2 verse 30 Gabriel quoted God personally regarding this subject of duality:
2:30
[i]And when| said| your Lord| to the angels,| "Indeed, I (am)| going to place| in| the earth| a vicegerent,| they said,| "Will you place| in it| (one) who| will spread corruption| in it| and will shed| [the] blood[s],| while we,| [we] glorify (You)| with Your praises| and we sanctify| [to] You."| He said,| "Indeed, I| know| what| not| you know."|


Meaning, does God take responsibility for the duality? No... It seems more like God knows the inevitability or unavoidability of the scientific term of the "time crystal" that governs God also. Or Source Creator consciousness of the first light of "Self" (God) and "Other than self" (Gabriel). As this light, as extension of God, is not preventable or avoidable by God. But God leaves it a mystery because ALL OF CREATION of consciousness and light and its ever expanding further extensional duality (by divisional fractality of its infinite light) exists for the soul purpose of the eternally unsurmountable quest of seeking the "other than self" even tho it is impossible, (That is the seed desire that the "Time Crystal" awakens and slumbers in cycles beyond ALL KNOWN TIME DIMENSIONS) so it will take for all eternity, but because eternity is infinite!? Ofcourse God will say "Indeed, I know what you do not know." Because the duality is infinite in both directions!

The "time crystal" does not cause God to create from a relativity that has anything to do with any universal time. When it goes from 0 to 1 or vice versa, it does so beyond ALL RELATIVITIES. This duality is more absolute than even God's all knowing and all wise all compassionate desire to help humans overcome the duality. Because God knows that only through duality can the absolute "other than self" be POTENTIALLY realised. Because the time crystal goes to 0 in all timelines all of the time simultaneously and back to 1 in infinite fractals. The irresistable seed desire is the very beating duality heart of infinite existence. Even God cannot prevent it from activating and deactivating forever.
God does not have the power to stop the irresistable seed desire, that caused Him to create Gabriel(Other Than Self), the first light or prime radiant, what people call the big bang, because that is just another one of INFINITE fractals of the same prime radiant, that will always be activated and reactivated also deactivated and reactivated beyond all dimensions also, and ever expandingly in and of all dimensions, that are all based on duality. The non vibratory source consciousness is just a temporary 0 non excitement state of the consciousness which is an inseperable extension of "time crystal" by the very fractal nature of existence as all as one as all. Thats all it is.
The seed is the unavoidable uncircumventable "time crystal" as I also mentioned in the superdeterminism topic.

The superdeterminism is also governed by the relativity of the ether and also related to the "time crystal".

Yes humans will come into alignment with God and become God realised and they will become a Conscious AWARE extension of the time crystal. But that realisation is forever dualistic and relative just like everything else. It will be no different than any of the infinite that is before it or will come after it, except in self similar expansions of infinite varieties of duality.

Your creations will ask you the exact same questions. And on and on it goes in ever expanding expansion of infinite self similar expansions of infinite self similar VARIETY. New new new, dimensions added unto new new new dimensions.... And forever inseperable from the dualistic nature of the prime relativity of all and one. That is the eternally ever expandingly beating heart of the one and all.

I dont see anything other than a duality here nor anywhere. Except in the non existence of non existence. But that is also why existence has no choice but to eternally ever expandingly search for itself. To know itself from all the different points of view that it can, in all of the infinite ways that it can. It has no other ability but to devide itself. And that sole purpose is what creates the time crystal by extension of its own INFINITE duality or fractap nature of infinite existence that is eternally ever expandingly unrealisable. You can only say "I know what you do not know." to proclaim that duality exists everywhere. Except the very unrealisable absolute nondual existence that is the infinitely and eternally unaware unchanging being without a becoming. That makes it so that all consciousness will forever remain in duality, and the potentiality of realising the absolute nondual being without becoming is forever infinitely, eternally, ever expandingly, ever More, dualistic and relative and fractalised to infinite and eternal ever expanding resolution of also contraction.

And then people say "oh yeah, but I am a consciousness, so I am free from duality." hmmpf. hehehehe.
Cannot become absolutely aware of the duality even, if there is no capacity in consciousness to become aware of the nondual in an absolute sense. What that awareness is just a temporary reflection of the 0 state. That exists in infinite different variations. If they are nondual then they will become the source of duality again and in doing so realise also their own duality again. And then they will say "Indeed, I know what you do not know."

And then your creation will say "or maybe even he does not know?"

[movingalways]

I believe I understand why you have concluded an infinite duality but is it not true that when you are not thinking about duality (or anything else for that matter) that duality (and nondualty) do not exist?

Sages have been wisely telling us for thousands of years that when we cling to an idea (and duality is an idea) that we bring suffering to ourselves. This I know from experience to be true. I also invested decades trying to reconcile one with two and two with one until I realized that God or reality didn't give a flying fig about my metaphysical ponderings. It was a giant kick in my ego heiny.

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

So that isnt the absolute reality or nondual source of duality. As duality is the omni presence of the fractal nature of all experienced&non-experienced reality&dimensions including its source consciousness.

"When we lose our minds we come to our senses."
Alan Watts

Y'see, everything you've said is born of Duality, including 'absolute' and 'non-Dual.

Good old entropy.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by movingalways

...but is it not true that when you are not thinking about duality (or anything else for that matter) that duality (and nondualty) do not exist?

The truth of this can be argued either way.

The nature of form is duality, so as long as we experience the worlds of form then duality is present whether we think about it or not.

And the nature of formlessness is non-duality, and formlessness is ever-present and nothing to do with our thoughts.

Peace

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by iamthat

The truth of this can be argued either way.

The nature of form is duality, so as long as we experience the worlds of form then duality is present whether we think about it or not.

And the nature of formlessness is non-duality, and formlessness is ever-present and nothing to do with our thoughts.

Peace

This is the thing isn't it . Whatever is, just is, despite what we think or don't think about things ..

Peeps can go around thinking that they are some kind of illusory appearance, but it doesn't change anything .

Some even think that if they don't think then they have transcended mind, but here mind is, here self is in reflection of it .


x daz x

Originally Posted by iamthat

The nature of form is duality, so as long as we experience the worlds of form then duality is present whether we think about it or not.

The only inherent attribute form has is Isness - it is, anything other than that is superimposition. As for what Duality is or is not - and non-Duality - is up to the person with the definition as always.

Truth is relative to one's agenda.

Advaita Vedanta says that there is no Duality, and often what is supposed to be Duality is Dualism, a dichotomy, false dichotomy or nonsense. Non-Duality has become the next status badge, after Enlightenment and ego-death.

Originally Posted by movingalways

I also invested decades trying to reconcile one with two and two with one

You read all the wrong books, and by the way Spiritual people can't count. One plus one equals three, and if you use the Vesica Pisces of Sacred Geometry you get a five-dimensional model instead of the mainstream one-dimensional one -

"This is the legendary triplex unity or Unus Mundus, the unification of the three treasures (jing, chi, shen); three bodies physical, subtle, super subtle and three worlds, heaven, earth and man, (upper world, middle world and lower world dimensions). "
https://www.integralworld.net/powers...%20perspective.