The silliness of calling Christ an "enlightened man"

[Phaelyn]

I found this about the translation.

since the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, we now know that the Septuagint is based on a different, and older Hebrew text than the Masoretic text.

http://orthochristian.com/81224.html

[BigJohn]

Septuagint mistranslated numerous words whereas the Masoretic text provided insight on how the words were pronounced.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky123

Yes I agree BJ, it would be lovely to know what it was before the corruption.
Reminds me of ' Oh what a wondrous web we weave when we first practise to deceive '

We can study Paleo Hebrew and Old Hebrew text and then compare how it got translated into Greek where a lot of the problems with translation occurred. The Masoreic text provides insight that the Old Hebrew when modernized into modern Hebrew was more complex then we can possibly imagine.

For example Exodus 6:3 reads:
"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty,[a] but by my name the Lord[b] I did not make myself fully known to them."


In Hebrew, the part of interest, gets translated as "but by my name Yahweh I did not make myself fully know to them."

But the second creation account in Genesis 2:4, Yahweh is first introduced in the Bible. In Chapter 4, it speaks of many people calling upon the name Yahweh.

So how can one reconcile this difference?

The way Yahweh is written in the Masoretic text is slightly different then how it was written in Genesis 2:4!

It appears the spoken Hebrew was more complex then most people ever thought.

[utopiandreamchild]

Originally Posted by Honza

It amazes me that people believe Jesus was an enlightened man rather than God incarnate. All one really need to do is establish a relationship with Him and you soon realise that He is very, very powerful and loving. His grace and holy spirit are far greater than any enlightened man could ever be.

2000 years of Christian first hand experience of His grace has shown that He is greater than a man. It is only those who have never tasted His love that believe Him to be an enlightened man.

Just think of all those billions of people who have worshipped Him over the years. There are hardly any who suddenly say "wait, Jesus is not God. He is only a man!" Experience of Him is the point here. Once you have tasted Him you KNOW.

Praise Jesus son of the most high. Amen

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Honza

Another God incarnate is not impossible. In many ways two Messiahs is better than one. More clout.

From what I have studied, the Hebrew Scriptures do not support the Messiah would be God incarnate.

Jew today, do not believe the Messiah will be God incarnate so please provide non-New Testament scriptures to support your belief.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky123

' Christ is what makes man enlightened

'


What about those who don't believe in Christ or have no knowledge of a Christ can they become ' Enlightened ' ?


The more ' Light's ' in the World the merrier regardless of their name/religion [/quote]


Jethro, in my opinion, was an enlightened person.

Many would say A'brahm was an enlightened person.


Buddha's sayings mimic Jesus' teachings so Buddha should truly be considered an enlightened person. Besides, Buddha became enlightened about 540 years before Jesus' became 'enlightened'.

[Honza]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

From what I have studied, the Hebrew Scriptures do not support the Messiah would be God incarnate.

Jew today, do not believe the Messiah will be God incarnate so please provide non-New Testament scriptures to support your belief.

That is interesting. How do the Jews view the Messiah? Who would he be; a teacher?

[BigJohn]

They view Jesus as a future King; not God.

[sky]

Different Sects of Judaism see Jesus differently, some not very kindly.

Maimonides, in his Mishneh Torah, describes Jesus as the failed messiah foreseen by the prophet Daniel. Rather than redeeming Israel, Maimonides writes, Jesus caused Jews to be killed and exiled, changed the Torah and led the world to worship a false God.

Parts of the NT seem Anti Semitic so obviously some Jews will not respect Jesus.

[Aknaton]

Taking only a brief look at the posts here, some argue from a Christian point of view and others from a shall I say yogic/Hindu point of view.

I believe the idea of enlightenment comes from the hindu religion, where a person comes to "know they're self, Atman, etc" and lives with that realisation.

And then we look at the Christian point of view that talks of Salvation, where a person is saved from the fall through receiving the Holy Ghost. He disaccossiates from the Adamic nature and identifies himself so to say with the Christic/Logoic/Creative/Godly nature through Jesus Christ the Image of that Self same God.

Here we see an ideal of enlightenment which none who have typed the word here on this thread have attained, attempting to fit this ideal into Christianity or specifically, upon Jesus Christ. How can a person who isn't enlightened know who is and who isn't enlightened, let alone define this term? Hypocrites!!!