Dreams

[Guillaume]

Originally Posted by Viswa

I don't want things to go in a way. I don't want any things at all (just a combination of atoms). But, what's the 'way' to realize and see clearly that "Everything is Maya" and feel the 'presence' of 'Brahman/The One/That' every moment without falling to senses?

Yep, perfect, then meditate. The 'way' is our inner little voice, it's the Dao, it's what we all know is good (for us and for everyone). It's usually what we don't want to hear ...

Originally Posted by Viswa

What is actually 'meditation'? Sitting completely without thoughts in a room for '30 minutes' and again engage us and run for desires,pleasures and suffer and again sit for an hour and increase our desires,attachments?

Meditation is: sit and wait. Let go of your thoughts. Do it every day and you will understand everything by yourself. No need to read books.

Meditate, sit quietly, find the right position with a straight spine, it's painful at the beginning but after a while, you find it very pleasurable, and then you will not live without it.

Originally Posted by Viswa

Fine. Could you show a person alive, who choosed a path (in paths of 4 yogas/Buddhism/sanyasa),etc.. and 'realized' actually? (or) is there just a business of 'relieving mental stress' going on in the name of "meditation, Devotion and Yoga'?

Me. I don't claim to be Enlightened although I did have a powerful Awakening experience that I describe as the waking equivalent of a lucid dream. For several weeks waking reality wasn't as "solid" as it had been. It was more dream-like and I "knew" I was a more fundamental reality just like in a lucid dream one "knows" one is not the dream body but the dreamer and the dream isn't real.

How did I get there? A decade of meditation, both mindfulness and do-nothing/choiceless awareness, combined with a deep dive into consciousness studies and in the last months before my experience coming upon Advaita Vedanta. I was practicing meditation (Raja Yoga) and in essence my deep dive into consciousness studies was an informal and secular version of Jnana Yoga. Since then I've boned-up on Advaita's Jnana Yoga and I also mix in the Karma Yoga practice of Work as Witness, which from my perspective is really just an extension of choiceless awareness/do-nothing meditation outside of formal sitting.

In short I'd say where there's a will there's a way. Perhaps the difficult part is finding a way that works for you?

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Guillaume

Meditation is: sit and wait.

Well, yeah...I've been there.
But, I would say more it is, (ok, for 'me', now)-
'Meditation is: sit and enjoy!'

When we start off with a wonderful simple intention or attitude of,
'Whatever, Lord...I'm yours. Ahhh.' (Basically.)
The whole thing is sitting with a smile on your face.
I compare it to laying on a beach; basking in the peace, and then more of other things come along.

Raja Yoga - yes!

[Miss Hepburn]

Viswa - you've brought up atoms...Good I like that!!!
Forget about the atoms - forget... like 1000s of birds overhead how they change shape
appearing as 'something'...forget them.

I say - Wonder What is making them look as they do...What is inside them...What is their Essence?
WHY are there these atoms shape shifting all in front of us?
Who is That behind it all?
This is a very reachable Goal.
My, this life is exciting!!!!

[Guillaume]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Well, yeah...I've been there.
But, I would say more it is, (ok, for 'me', now)-
'Meditation is: sit and enjoy!'

Oh yeah, for me too now!
But at the beginning it's sit and wait. It's quite painful, and perseverance is needed.
But as we go, it becomes nicer and nicer, then it's awesome!

Originally Posted by Guillaume

Oh yeah, for me too now!
But at the beginning it's sit and wait. It's quite painful, and perseverance is needed.
But as we go, it becomes nicer and nicer, then it's awesome!

There is no limit to the Joy and Beauty we can become aware of.

Enjoy!

[Uday_Advaita]

Originally Posted by Guillaume

There are 2 steps. One can have the revelation of being consciousness, but still be attached to a physical body and have a sense of self.

I exist, as a consciousness and a physical body. I may be a servant of God, but still, I exist as a separate entity.

Then we can expand our consciousness, but that's another thing.

What do you think, or rather, what have you experimented?

Hello Guillaume
This Mindbody has not had any revelations.
What has been experienced (And not out of any experiments) are far and few glimpses of what the sages may have described as 'No Mind State"
Thus the understanding is that this Mindbody is not an entity separate from Consciousness
Any Entityfication attached to the Mindbody, that has come about in this world is Given and not Intrinsic
The Intrinsic can only be the awareness that "I Exist", not as a Mindbody nor separate from a God but Consciousness itself.
This is ... it
Namaskar

[Uday_Advaita]

Viswa - Quote:
Yes. But, the path that fancies me can be a 'delusion'. Isn't it?.

Please Do not presume anything. Let your mind be open to knowledge / understanding through direct experience.
That's seeking is all about
Namaskar

[Guillaume]

Originally Posted by Uday_Advaita

What has been experienced (And not out of any experiments) are far and few glimpses of what the sages may have described as 'No Mind State"

Keep going!

Originally Posted by Legrand

Enjoy!

Oh, I do!

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Viswa - you've brought up atoms...Good I like that!!!
Forget about the atoms - forget... like 1000s of birds overhead how they change shape appearing as 'something'...forget them.

I say - wonder What is making them look as they do...What is inside them...What is their Essence?
WHY are there these atoms shape shifting all in front of us?
Who is That behind it all?
This is a very reachable Goal.
My, this life is exciting!!!!

Hmm... seems to be, remaining with these questions might clear the clouds/shadows. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Uday_Advaita

Please Do not presume anything. Let your mind be open to knowledge / understanding through direct experience.
That's seeking is all about

Sure. I will try it. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Guillaume

The 'way' is our inner little voice

Absolutely.

Originally Posted by Guillaume

Meditation is: sit and wait. Let go of your thoughts. Do it every day and you will understand everything by yourself. No need to read books.

Meditate, sit quietly, find the right position with a straight spine, it's painful at the beginning but after a while, you find it very pleasurable, and then you will not live without it.

Sure. I will try my best. Thanks a lot.

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

In short I'd say where there's a will there's a way. Perhaps the difficult part is finding a way that works for you?

Yup. seems to be so. Waiting for 'the One' to come from nowhere in any form and say 'what to do/ do this', but don't know what to do until then with these senses.

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Me. I don't claim to be Enlightened although I did have a powerful Awakening experience that I describe as the waking equivalent of a lucid dream. For several weeks waking reality wasn't as "solid" as it had been. It was more dream-like and I "knew" I was a more fundamental reality just like in a lucid dream one "knows" one is not the dream body but the dreamer and the dream isn't real.How did I get there? A decade of meditation, both mindfulness and do-nothing/choiceless awareness, combined with a deep dive into consciousness studies and in the last months before my experience coming upon Advaita Vedanta. I was practicing meditation (Raja Yoga) and in essence my deep dive into consciousness studies was an informal and secular version of Jnana Yoga. Since then I've boned-up on Advaita's Jnana Yoga and I also mix in the Karma Yoga practice of Work as Witness, which from my perspective is really just an extension of choiceless awareness/do-nothing meditation outside of formal sitting.

Impressive. These words - 'choiceless awareness','dreamer and the dream','fundamental reality','consciousness','advaita','Karma,jnana,Ra ja' (Just devotion left), 'do-nothing' (5star ad - humour) and it's combinations, remainds me of 'somethings'. But, never mind. Thanks a lot.