Christianity and Spirituality

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by ThatMan

This is what I was shown too. Everything was ( in the no-time time ) and is ( now in the making ) planned to the smallest detail and that everything is perfect and happens accordingly to the divine will, even wars. ...

Hi, Have you seen, ''The Star of Bethlehem'' Documentary, yet...this Universe is like a Swiss watch.
Well done...and using science of all things!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exmbuX1NffU

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Hi, Have you seen, ''The Star of Bethlehem'' Documentary, yet...this Universe is like a Swiss watch.
Well done...and using science of all things!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exmbuX1NffU

No, but I am going to take a look, thanks!

[hallow]

Originally Posted by davidmartin

I don't think we create our own reality, we each interpret differently the same reality
The reality we create is the interpretation of the reality that's beneath our interpretations

saying we create our own reality is a very hard thing to accept. It's a very black and white/ is what it is concept. We create our own reality by the choices we make and how we react.
I am not saying that we create our own reality in negative terms. It's simply is what it is. Here's how I created my reality in order to make myself feel secure. As a individual I can be senitive to others I have high but simple moral standards. That unfortunately put me a very solitary path in life. Because of that I created my own solitary reality. I don't blame anyone or anything for living the life I do. Because I understand I created it. Accepting yourself for who you are and understanding that everyone has there own definition of reality is probably one of the most difficult and important things you can do.
The majority of people do this and there's so many people who want to desperately deny it. Taking responsibility for EVERYTHING you do can be painful that's why people don't.
There's also a lot of things that happen out of our control, most everything is out of our control. But how we choose to react to what's out of control is another situation how we create our own reality.

[BigJohn]

I do not think things are 'cut and dry' as far as we being in control or not in control for some of the things we do.

Are bodies, for the most part, run on their own. We do not tell our heart to pump the blood, our body to digest food, etc. I would say about 99.9999 % of what goes on with our bodies, is done without our 'knowledge'.

When something traumatic happens, most people seem to freeze. Those same people do not seem to realize later that they froze.

Some things we have no control over such as when we hit the wrong nail with a hammer, especially if the nail is our finger nail. We have some control over hitting our finger nail but we seem to have no control over the choice of words we use immediately afterwards.

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

I do not think things are 'cut and dry' as far as we being in control or not in control for some of the things we do.

Are bodies, for the most part, run on their own. We do not tell our heart to pump the blood, our body to digest food, etc. I would say about 99.9999 % of what goes on with our bodies, is done without our 'knowledge'.

When something traumatic happens, most people seem to freeze. Those same people do not seem to realize later that they froze....

You do control everything about yourself, it's just that you are not aware... imagine the raw power as a result of being able to reach so deep within yourself, this is what I've achieved through my realisation. What is beyond atoms and even beyond? The source.

@BigJohn, your idea about yourself is only a mental product, my personality is a mental construct so yours but there's one thing that is beyond our own doing, that is awareness, the "I AM", in all the situations of your life there was the "I am", right? I am doing good, I am doing fine, I am sad, I am happy, I am afraid, I am motivated, I am doing, I am not doing etc.

When we say: I am sad; in fact, it's not really quite right, the right words are: I am aware of this sensation that I call sadness. Think a little, if you are sad, then when sadness goes, you should go with it, but you don't go, you stay "You" in all the situations of life, things come and go, thoughts come and ago, experiences come and ago.

This is my simple analogy, watch a river, it's always flowing, coming and going, yes? But the river never comes and never goes, you see my point. Awareness never comes and never goes, it simply is, everything else comes and goes, so everything else is like the water from the river, in other words, everything appears within awareness and returns back into awareness.

[hallow]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

I do not think things are 'cut and dry' as far as we being in control or not in control for some of the things we do.

your right, most things we don't have control over.
We often freeze because we just don't know how to react to the situation. Like if a super beautiful woman comes up to talk to you. You freeze up, say/do something dumb and make a fool of yourself.

[hallow]

Originally Posted by ThatMan

You do control everything about yourself, it's just that you are not aware.

. YES!! exactly! One of the only things you can control is yourself. The things we cannot control is everything we need to learn from.

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by hallow

. YES!! exactly! One of the only things you can control is yourself. The things we cannot control is everything we need to learn from.

There is something even deeper but this can only be known through some sort of a inner revelation. If you ever reach the source of your being, you will understand.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by hallow

I share the same path as you. One thing I learned on this site and in my own life is we really do create our own reality. A reality suited for the path were on. But no matter how you word it or what system one believes in. Some people need a instruction manual others don't. But at the end of the day it's all the same.

Yes, very true. Someone once said "many paths lead to the same destination."

[Matty]

Originally Posted by Altair

I've been called or considered (subtly and not so subtly) as ''non-spiritual'' many times on here, just for doubting stuff like karma, reincarnation, creationism,

For many it seems "spiritually" is a religious dogma of some sort. The "new agy" spam does help either that seems like a "I'm special" approach to it. A you're special anthem does have an appeal to it. As you pointed out one of the side affects is your not special (spiritual) because you don't believe in ( fill in blank). Sounds like religion doesn't it....and hypocritical as well.

I been doing what most people call spiritual ever since I can remember <------------ literally
I never called or even considered it spirituality until I was in my 20's almost. It was just something I did, I was far from being a better person for it nor of God for it. Only reason I even accepted the term spirituality was to give what I have always done a concept and easier to explain if I chose to.
I still can care less what "new agy" labels or consider's this or that. Especially spiritualist Wiki's...wiki really personaly I draw the line there though.

One doesn't have to believe in astral projection or auras or whatever to be spiritual, Even Jesus tried to bring people up spiritually. Not once did he mentioned all this stuff that many consider a must have to be spiritual. Even Apostle Paul teached to meditate on the Word.

You are so far one of the few that I have read comments from. That makes me go, Thank God...or you beat me to the punch. Or a more common phrase "some real talk"
I admit there may be a few things I might not completely agreed with, but so what. If people only care about being right instead of doing right then they are probably in the wrong spiritually anyway....another side affect.

I am concerned with those who lost touch with reality though...