Adam and Eve and Creation: Literal or Figurative?

tom63376 · #1 26-03-2021, 05:30 PM

What is your view of the Story of Creation? Do you see it as literally true or figurative and symbolic?

sky · #2 26-03-2021, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tom63376

What is your view of the Story of Creation? Do you see it as literally true or figurative and symbolic?

Copied from other beliefs Systems, I personally believe in Evolution

#3 28-03-2021, 06:49 PM

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Copied from other beliefs Systems, I personally believe in Evolution

I see no conflict with how the bible shows us evolve and how nature has us evolve.

Both systems demand and forces us to sin.

Without sin, or doing evil by competing, we would go extinct.

If you can read the bible in a more naturalistic way, it makes a lot of sense.

If you read it literally, god help you, but that might be the only way Christians can explain why they call sin a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh' plan.

Regards
DL

BigJohn · #4 29-03-2021, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

I see no conflict with how the bible shows us evolve and how nature has us evolve.

Both systems demand and forces us to sin.

Without sin, or doing evil by competing, we would go extinct.

If you can read the bible in a more naturalistic way, it makes a lot of sense.

If you read it literally, god help you, but that might be the only way Christians can explain why they call sin a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh' plan.

Regards
DL

Where in the Bible does it say "sin [is] a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh' plan"?

#5 29-03-2021, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn

Where in the Bible does it say "sin [is] a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh' plan"?

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Would you have Jesus die for nothing or Adam derail the plan by not sinning?

You do know Jesus was chosen before we could even sin. Right?

You might remember the quote, given that i have given it to you before.

Regards
DL

BigJohn · #6 29-03-2021, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

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Would you have Jesus die for nothing or Adam derail the plan by not sinning?

You do know Jesus was chosen before we could even sin. Right?

You might remember the quote, given that i have given it to you before.

Regards
DL

As we have discussed before, sin[ning] is just 'missing the point'.

BigJohn · #7 26-03-2021, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tom63376

What is your view of the Story of Creation? Do you see it as literally true or figurative and symbolic?

If you look at the writing styles of the two creation accounts in Hebrew, it becomes apparent these accounts were written by different people or groups. When you look at it from that position, those accounts become opinions.

The Talmud was written similar, but on an improved style, which indicates to me the creation accounts were written earlier.

RabbiO · #8 26-03-2021, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn

If you look at the writing styles of the two creation accounts in Hebrew, it becomes apparent these accounts were written by different people or groups. When you look at it from that position, those accounts become opinions.

The Talmud was written similar, but on an improved style, which indicates to me the creation accounts were written earlier.

Again, since you seem to have forgotten, the Talmuds (there are two) were written in the period between 200 and 500 CE. The Mishna, written around 200 CE in Hebrew, the Gemara, in Aramaic, followed in the years that followed.

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say when you write "The Talmud was written similar, but on an improved style".

BigJohn · #9 27-03-2021, 01:08 AM

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Again, since you seem to have forgotten, the Talmuds (there are two) were written in the period between 200 and 500 CE. The Mishna, written around 200 CE in Hebrew, the Gemara, in Aramaic, followed in the years that followed.

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say when you write "The Talmud was written similar, but on an improved style".

There are various versions of what I wrote, circulating. Some versions re in more detail then others. An example of what some have concluded can be found here: https://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/mary.wa...rJEDPnotes.htm

RabbiO · #10 02-04-2021, 08:22 PM

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There are various versions of what I wrote, circulating. Some versions re in more detail then others. An example of what some have concluded can be found here.....

This would have been a decent answer if I had asked about the documentary hypothesis, but that is not what I asked you.

It would be great if you would read my question again and then give answering it another shot.

As for me I have to get ready for Shabbat and the end of Pesach so I won't be checking in for the next day or so.