A relaxation state...

[innerlight]

There is a state I can hit when I get relaxed enough. It's a deeper state that my regular awareness. It's, for a lack of terminology, under my regular awareness. My regular awareness is higher than this state, and is more active. When I hit this state, I am open to all types of visions, albeit they are all spontaneous and random. But they occur.

The problem is. I can not get their on my own, nor do I know how I get there. It just happens in a deep relax. But if I move, or think about it, it takes me awareness back up to the higher level. Where what I am looking for is a deeper level.

Any ideas or comments are appreciated. I can't actively get there as that keeps my awareness higher than it needs to be.

[Lynn]

Hello

I would say because its a "pre set" thought that one can not get there one does not get there. When one is someone that thinks things through to process information its hard to take the brain out of the equation and just let things flow through the belly region.

When I teach Astral Projection classes I give members something to focus on. Something to attach to that bridges that gap. Now this might sound strange but I have them get on Pegasus the flying horse. What it gives them is something to focus on and something the brain can see as physical to ride on. As Astral Projection is most times entered via meditations I simply have them travel on Pegasus into the deeper levels for them self first and then as its projection outwards from self.

For meditation ye would just keep riding deeper and deeper picking up along the way the aspects that one wants to remember. Being that ye have something physical in the mind to hold onto it makes it feel more comfortable to explore.

Lynn

[innerlight]

It's not that I can not get there. I know I can, as I've been there. I just can not actively take myself there. As being active keeps me at a higher level then where I need to be.

That's a neat little visualization. If I could visualize, I would use it. All I would be able to do is think it, or say it, and both those things keeps me active and too high and too alert to be in the state.

But I do want to be there, as I know if can help me so much in life. And I want to be able to stay in that state for extended periods of times.

[A human Being]

Originally Posted by innerlight

It's not that I can not get there. I know I can, as I've been there. I just can not actively take myself there. As being active keeps me at a higher level then where I need to be.

That's a neat little visualization. If I could visualize, I would use it. All I would be able to do is think it, or say it, and both those things keeps me active and too high and too alert to be in the state.

But I do want to be there, as I know if can help me so much in life. And I want to be able to stay in that state for extended periods of times.

I imagine you're trying to get there through your mind - which is the problem. That's what Lynn's solution points towards, it's a method that takes your attention out of your mind. It's difficult, because you're trying to undo years of dysfunctional thinking.

I say that, but I'm having trouble taking my attention out of my mind as well. If anything, since I've started meditating I seem to be thinking even more than I was doing. Maybe it's just part of the process, or maybe it just seems that way because I'm more conscious of my thoughts.

I'm thinking I just need to persevere and be patient. It's just frustrating when I know what I'm looking for is right here, in everything. I feel like I'm afraid to let go of something, but I'm not sure what.