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25-11-2022, 05:03 PM
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point well made
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
presumptions and viewpoints of little minds that do not take the time to understand the bigger picture thru
inner silence and stillness to commune with Divine Insights revealed.
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26-11-2022, 11:27 AM
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Extreme materialistic people simply can not understand something spiritual. To explain them 'No self' is the best answer . Hindus of Buddha's time were extremely ritualistic and materialistic . So I think this the best thing He could do this to explain something spiritual.
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the buddha did not just explain that there is no self. he himself believed in it. also why do you think that "explaining no self" is the best thing to do to those who are extremely ritualistic ? He could have just been satisfied with saying that rituals are no good.
also, he explained the no self theory not just to materialistic people. He explained it also to Kashyap and Ananda and Moggallana and Sariputta who were highly advanced and performed no rituals.
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26-11-2022, 01:16 PM
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the buddha did not just explain that there is no self. he himself believed in it. also why do you think that "explaining no self" is the best thing to do to those who are extremely ritualistic ? He could have just been satisfied with saying that rituals are no good.
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'No self is grand daddy of lies can perhaps explain Buddha's stand on it . When he felt that disciple is not capable to understand or is not sincere enough for answer , he avoided the questions .
Nevertheless you can carry on with your ideas about Buddha.
Re Krishna and Shiva you have lot of wrong facts . I can understand your opinions and observations as you were born Hindu . But let me tell you all this is based on disputed & biased opinions. However if holding on to these wrong perception gives you satisfaction, please hold onto it by all means .
It is a different matter Jesus may not like such negative attitudes towards other revered figures.
Re Avatar doctrine - if there is No God incarnated on this earth in human flesh then there is no "Son of a God " or "Messenger of a God" in human flesh possible . There are no proofs . Hope you get the underlying theologies and it appeals to your intellect and freedom to think logically and express it .
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26-11-2022, 01:58 PM
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the buddha did not just explain that there is no self. he himself believed in it
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Can you point out please in which Sutta/Sutra the Buddha said there is 'no self'.
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26-11-2022, 02:30 PM
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Please rem this is an English speaking Forum,
Example, people do not know what Sutta/Sutra means.
Ya know you can always carry on in PMs with pressing questions. 
Oh my, I just saw on page 1...quote up to 3 sentences only...no more quote boxes with a million sentences total!
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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26-11-2022, 04:17 PM
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Re Avatar doctrine - if there is No God incarnated on this earth in human flesh then there is no "Son of a God " or "Messenger of a God" in human flesh possible .
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do you think that the son of God and God are the same person ? do you think that a messenger of God and God are the same person ? Hindus are crazy about calling anyone a little pious either the Divine Mother or Bhagavan or the Incarnation of God etc.
*Deleted, opinion*
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26-11-2022, 04:23 PM
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Can you point out please in which Sutta/Sutra the Buddha said there is 'no self'.
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Annica (Impermanence), Annata (no-self) and Sunyata (emptiness) are the three fundamental teachings of the Buddha that every serious Buddhist practicing under a recognized teacher knows. Regarding annata, I dont know the sutra where it is mentioned, but the Dalai Lama called selfhood as a root error that was corrected by the Buddha. He and the school of Buddhism that he is the head of, namely the Prasangika Madhyamaka (or the Middle Way Consequence School of Buddhism) strictly believes in the doctrine of anatta.
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26-11-2022, 04:36 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7WgTHNc0OI
In this video the Dalai Lama explains the idea of no self.
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26-11-2022, 04:55 PM
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saurab, thank you for definitions.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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26-11-2022, 06:24 PM
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Annata (no-self)
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I can point you to Suttas/Sutras (Teachings attributed to The Buddha) regarding Anatta (The doctrine of non-self) rather than 'no self' if you wish.
When Buddha was asked point-blank by Vacchagotta whether or not there was a self, He refused to answer. When later asked by Ananda why He didn't answer He said that to hold either that there is a self or that there is no self is to fall into extreme forms of wrong view that make the path of Buddhist practice impossible.
The Nirvana Sutra states that all beings have Buddha Nature, which is 'Our True Self' according to The Buddha so why would He contradict Himself by saying there is 'No Self'.....
The idea of there being 'no self' does not fit well with other Buddha's teachings, such as the doctrine of
Karma and Rebirth (and many more) If there is 'no self' what experiences the results of Karma and takes Rebirth ? |
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