Why/how do people accept duality?

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Mora321

Do non-dualists only breathe in one direction?

I suspect Existence itself is based on a duality - sometimes called the Tzimtzum

in my view there is a difference between the truth about reality and the way one views reality.

Just because reality is a certain way, should it mean a thing in terms of how I view it? I mean I might observer that there is an in-breath and an outbreath (two things) and then draw a line in the sand in an attempt to separate them (three things) and then go on to build a model of 10000 things like they did in that chapter in the tao te ching...

and meanwhile reality goes about doing its thing no matter how accurate I can make my model... and maybe in spite of all the inaccuracies I'm sure to have...

but I find my lines in the sand just obscure the view.... if I really wanna combat that looking for a new way to view things, e.g. drawing more lines in the sand, isn't going to help a thing. The only thing that will get me back where I started to a place of oneness where there is no duality, is just to simply stop drawing lines in the sand. Because by definition, each line in the sand creates a new duality in my mind...

And now I have drawn yet another line in the sand. Have fun!

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

I have been surrendering to suffering my whole life especially the last 10 years, it isnt going away no matter what I do or don't do.
... I don't want to suffer anymore.

I am sorry that you have been through so much and that you continue to suffer.

Regarding the doctors and your medication, I am not qualified to comment.

Regarding surrender, in the end it is all out of our control. We do what we can to try to fix things, but maybe all we can do is trust that there is a Higher Self which is following its own purpose and which knows what it is doing.

We cannot intellectualise our way to realisation. Trying to mentally understand the nature of duality/non-duality is just the mind going round in circles. The mind tends to make things complicated, whereas the reality is very simple.

We can try to find that small space of emptiness in the centre of the chest area, that space of stillness and peace, that space of simply being. And if we find that space then simply rest there without trying to understand it. It is all about Being, without the need to analyse.

Peace

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Mora321

Do non-dualists only breathe in one direction?

I suspect Existence itself is based on a duality - sometimes called the Tzimtzum

There is non-dual - underlying cosmic spirit and there is duality - umpteen forms and shapes non-dual takes. It's just that forms /shapes/thoughts/ideas/concepts /names ie duality is short lived and only thing that survives is non-dual. In that sense duality is illusory (short lived / transient/ephemeral / fleeting/changing) and non-duality is real (permanent indefinite indestructible).

So statement that 'Existence is based in duality " is only part truth. Full truth is umpteen dualities exists in the world but all those are powered by permanent non-dual. And orientation to non-duality from dual situations assures good experiences for all involved. So non-dualists exhort seeker for orientation for non-duality. In that sense u may say ' Non-dualists only breathe in one direction'. However if one feels non-dualists dont understand duality situations (like money, power, relationships, knowledge, fame etc) , that would be gross mistake. In fact non-dualists can be better dualists also mainly due to their non-dual orientations.

Tzimtzum - contraction creating empty spaces many times caused by mind creating borders/separation on its own .In Hindu terminology i would relate it as 'Maya' - the very force of God which creates attractive yet illusory deception which feels extremely real.

Duality by itself is not bad. It's extremely good in administration, planning and execution in group activities. Only the duality which results in biased unjust behavior /decisions is the one which can/should be avoided with non-duality orientation .

[utopiandreamchild]

Duality?, Love and Hate...
Which would you prefer?.
I'm a nondualist, I choose Love over Hate, Positive over Negative, and most importantly Right over Wrong.

utopiandreamchild

[alanantic]

Originally Posted by utopiandreamchild

I'm a nondualist, I choose Love over Hate, Positive over Negative, and most importantly Right over wrong.utopiandreamchild

When you make a choice between opposites you succumb to Dualism.

"Do you want to know what my secret is? I don’t mind what happens." -- J. Krishnamurti

[utopiandreamchild]

Originally Posted by alanantic

When you make a choice between opposites you succumb to Dualism.

"Do you want to know what my secret is? I don’t mind what happens." -- J. Krishnamurti

So you don't mind then?, love "or" hate, positive "or" negative, right "or" wrong?.
My preference is to choose 1 over the other, simply because that's what works for me and imo one is superior to the other.

utopiandreamchild

[Maisy]

I've suffered a lot in life too. But then others have suffered more I'm sure. Life really can have a lot of suffering in it. I think it's motivation to advance spiritually so we don't incarnate in physical bodies anymore.

I always think, there's always those who have it better then me and those who have it worse. I just try to make the best of it. Like I will never have a house but does it matter anyway? No matter what we have in life, we leave it all behind. One can't even take a penny with them when they leave the body.

On accepting duality, so much in life the only choice is to accept it or resist it and resisting just adds suffering.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by iamthat

I am sorry that you have been through....
... without the need to analyse.

Peace

Thank you so much for your help. Very helpful advice. Brings hope.

Originally Posted by Maisy

I've suffered a...
... resisting just adds suffering.

That's strangely true. Resisting always makes it worse.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by alanantic

"Do you want to know what my secret is? I don’t mind what happens." -- J. Krishnamurti

That's it! That's the quote I've tried to remember exactly for YEARS! ( I never got it quite right.)

[eezi-ulgen]

Originally Posted by Mora321

When an outflow ceases, momentarily there is no flow before the inflow starts. Is the temporary absence of flow considered to be a separate state, equal in significance to a directional flow?

Is duality an incomplete concept?

I believe more in triality but duality is part of the whole.(Positive-negative-neutral)