The difference between Neo and Traditional Advaita.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

Asking one's self "who am I?" is a positive mental intellect method while resonating with oneness or wholeness as Iamit said, is a mental and positive feeling of I AM relating harmoniously to oneness, wholeness and truth.

And yet the knowledge of I AM is nothing to do with the mind or the emotions. Oneness, wholeness and truth lie beyond the mind and the emotions, so we can resonate mentally and emotionally all we want, but realisation is something completely different.

Peace

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by davidsun

So why do you do so, pray tell?

Because it is such fun!

Peace

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by iamthat

And yet the knowledge of I AM is nothing to do with the mind or the emotions. Oneness, wholeness and truth lie beyond the mind and the emotions, so we can resonate mentally and emotionally all we want, but realisation is something completely different.

Peace

I said feeling not emotional. emotional is a mental thing, while feeling in the heart is not mental.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Yet your posts insist that all differences are illusory because everything is Oneness manifest.

You say that there are no separate people to realise Oneness. You say that there is no need for realisation because everything is already Oneness manifest. So why do you now emphasis the difference between traditional Advaita and Neo-Advaita? Surely if everything is just Oneness manifest, then such differences are just another illusion? Why the need to discuss such illusory difference?

It seems as if your intellect wants it both ways. When it comes to separate people having to attain realisation, you say that this is not necessary because all is One. Then you comment on me not understanding the differences between traditional and Neo, as if to say that these are two separate things within your Oneness manifest.

If I were a cynical fellow I might suspect that your intellect likes Neo-Advaita because it suggests that no effort is necessary and there is nothing you have to do to realise Oneness. Which is a very easy undemanding path. Good luck with it.

Peace

The differences are apparent in the manifestation for all to clearly see. Non Duality is a story in the manifestation, probably a fiction made up a long time ago. That might matter to you and others who are seekers of truth. It matters not to those that are not.

Originally Posted by Iamit

The differences are apparent in the manifestation for all to clearly see. Non Duality is a story in the manifestation, probably a fiction made up a long time ago. That might matter to you and others who are seekers of truth. It matters not to those that are not.

You are both sides of the same coin, the seeker and that which is sought. To deny one side (the seeker) is to deny the omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence of the other (the sought).

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

You are both sides of the same coin, the seeker and that which is sought. To deny one side (the seeker) is to deny the omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence of the other (the sought).

Yes there is no such thing as enlightenment for a seprate individual.

Originally Posted by Iamit

Yes there is no such thing as enlightenment for a seprate individual.

And yet here we are, having this discussion. LOL!

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_C...ses/Meditation

"I am never Râma [never one with Ishvara, the personal aspect of God], but I am [one with Brahman, the impersonal, all-pervading existence]. Here is a huge mass of clay. Out of that clay I made a little [mouse] and you made a little [elephant]. Both are clay. Melt both down They are essentially one. "I and my Father are one." [But the clay mouse can never be one with the clay elephant.]"

The novice says to the master, ‘What does one do before enlightenment?’
‘Chop wood. Carry water,’ replies the master.
The novice asks, ‘What, then, does one do after enlightenment?’
‘Chop wood. Carry water.’

What is chopping wood and carrying water, clay or mouse & elephant?

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Because it is such fun!

Peace

Then it is NOT 'pointless', is it!

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

"I am never Râma [never one with Ishvara, the personal aspect of God], but I am [one with Brahman, the impersonal, all-pervading existence]."

Contrast this statement with with: “At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.”(John 14:20). aye what?

My comment: This [latter] statement cannot possibly be made sense of using simple, linear A→B→C logic, of course, but how aspects of the identities of personal and transpersonal beings (beingnesses, really) can operationally be ‘in’ one another becomes readily understandable if, when and as one realizes, as more and more people are now doing, that our existential reality is a matrixially interwoven, dynamically living (that is, creatively growing, developing, evolving, etc.) system wherein the output of every personal and transpersonal component of said system functions as input in relation to any and all other components which, because of constitutional similarities and/or complementary affiliations, are vibrationally ‘attuned’ thereto, such that the process of every singular or compound element thereof, ‘from the least to the greatest’, ultimately directly or indirectly affects and is affected by the process of every other aspect of Life.

Beats simply being 'one with' (what is called) Brahman hands down, on my scale of values (plural!), that is.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

And yet here we are, having this discussion. LOL!

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_C...ses/Meditation

"I am never Râma [never one with Ishvara, the personal aspect of God], but I am [one with Brahman, the impersonal, all-pervading existence]. Here is a huge mass of clay. Out of that clay I made a little [mouse] and you made a little [elephant]. Both are clay. Melt both down They are essentially one. "I and my Father are one." [But the clay mouse can never be one with the clay elephant.]"

The novice says to the master, ‘What does one do before enlightenment?’
‘Chop wood. Carry water,’ replies the master.
The novice asks, ‘What, then, does one do after enlightenment?’
‘Chop wood. Carry water.’

What is chopping wood and carrying water, clay or mouse & elephant?

Apparently:)