The difference between Neo and Traditional Advaita.

Originally Posted by Iamit

Who or what does Traditional Advaita think engage in practice to "achieve enlightenment"?

Perhaps a better way to understand is a lucid dream. Before attaining lucidity I believe I'm my avatar in the dream. I identify with the unreal dream body. Attaining lucidity removes that ignorance in a flash of realization that I'm not the avatar in the dream but the dreamer.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Perhaps a better way to understand is a lucid dream. Before attaining lucidity I believe I'm my avatar in the dream. I identify with the unreal dream body. Attaining lucidity removes that ignorance in a flash of realization that I'm not the avatar in the dream but the dreamer.

Who or what is doing the reflecting in that post?

Originally Posted by Iamit

Who or what is doing the reflecting in that post?

This question applies to Advaita Vedanta, Neo-Advaita and Neo-Vedanta.

Is it the mind or the mind of the mind or both? More importantly are they really two or One?

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

This question applies to Advaita Vedanta, Neo-Advaita and Neo-Vedanta.

Is it the mind or the mind of the mind or both? More importantly are they really two or One?

Yes the mind of an individual who Traditional Advaita suggest can "achieve enlightenment" through practise.

Originally Posted by Iamit

Yes the mind of an individual who Traditional Advaita suggest can "achieve enlightenment" through practise.

It's exactly same as it is in Neo-Advaita. No difference whatsoever. As I've said several times, there's absolutely no difference in philosophy between Advaita Vedanta, Neo-Advaita and Neo-Vedanta. The differences are in what's required for realization. It's a question of methods and techniques and not philosophy.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

It's exactly same as it is in Neo-Advaita. No difference whatsoever. As I've said several times, there's absolutely no difference in philosophy between Advaita Vedanta, Neo-Advaita and Neo-Vedanta. The differences are in what's required for realization. It's a question of methods and techniques and not philosophy.

There can be no realization by what is believed to be a separate person, if there are no separate persons according to Neo Advaita.

Originally Posted by Iamit

There can be no realization by what is believed to be a separate person, if there are no separate persons according to Neo Advaita.

As I said, same goal, different method.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Advaita#Teachings

"The basic practice of neo-Advaita is self-inquiry, via the question "Who am I?", or simply the direct recognition of the non-existence of the "I" or "ego." This recognition is taken to be equal to the Advaita Vedanta recognition of the identity of Atman and Brahman, or the recognition of the "Formless Self." According to neo-Advaitins, no preparatory practice is necessary, nor prolonged study of religious scriptures or tradition: insight alone suffices."


So I ask you, from a Neo-Advaitin perspective who is asking "Who am I?"? How is that any different than the more traditional practices followed by an Advaita Vedantin?

If the Neo-Advaitin is not deluded into believing s/he is a separate person there's no need to ask the question in the first place. S/he already has the answer and the question has no relevance.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

As I said, same goal, different method.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Advaita#Teachings

"The basic practice of neo-Advaita is self-inquiry, via the question "Who am I?", or simply the direct recognition of the non-existence of the "I" or "ego." This recognition is taken to be equal to the Advaita Vedanta recognition of the identity of Atman and Brahman, or the recognition of the "Formless Self." According to neo-Advaitins, no preparatory practice is necessary, nor prolonged study of religious scriptures or tradition: insight alone suffices."


So I ask you, from a Neo-Advaitin perspective who is asking "Who am I?"? How is that any different than the more traditional practices followed by an Advaita Vedantin?

If the Neo-Advaitin is not deluded into believing s/he is a separate person there's no need to ask the question in the first place. S/he already has the answer and the question has no relevance.

There is no method/practice involved in hearing and resonating with the message that Oneness is the only reality and that all is already Oneness including what is believed to be oneself. It does not matter if its a resonance by the mind with a concept or idea. Its the resonance that matters, and that produces the realization. It either happens or it doesnt. This is the Neo Advaita message.

Originally Posted by Iamit

There is no method/practice involved in hearing and resonating with the message that Oneness is the only reality and that all is already Oneness including what is believed to be oneself. It does not matter if its a resonance by the mind with a concept or idea. Its the resonance that matters, and that produces the realization. It either happens or it doesnt. This is the Neo Advaita message.

So who hears the Neo-Advaita message prior to realization?

You don't understand Advaita Vedanta because it too has the exact same message at its core. It just realizes spontaneous enlightenment is massively unlikely, hence the need for study and practice to remove ignorance and reveal one's true nature.

EDIT: Asking one's self "Who am I?" is a method/practice, albeit an abbreviated method/practice with the intent to transition from unrealized to realized. From a conscious state of duality to one of non-duality. From identifying with the many to the One.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

So who hears the Neo-Advaita message prior to realization?

You don't understand Advaita Vedanta because it too has the exact same message at its core. It just realizes spontaneous enlightenment is massively unlikely, hence the need for study and practice to remove ignorance and reveal one's true nature.

EDIT: Asking one's self "Who am I?" is a method/practice, albeit an abbreviated method/practice with the intent to transition from unrealized to realized. From a conscious state of duality to one of non-duality. From identifying with the many to the One.

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