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Old 09-09-2020, 02:13 PM
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....I think it's "in-evitable" at some time or another...even if we "strive" to kill nothing.... How many little insects do we squash while about , that we don't know about?.... It's un-avoidable ...
This essay exquisitely explores issues involved in our relationship(s) with other life-forms:

https://www.bernardokastrup.com/2020...imals-and.html
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Old 11-09-2020, 06:35 AM
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This essay exquisitely explores issues involved in our relationship(s) with other life-forms:

https://www.bernardokastrup.com/2020...imals-and.html


Just reading his book (again) 'Meaning in Absurdity', the man has an amazing mind.
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Old 11-09-2020, 05:23 PM
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This essay exquisitely explores issues involved in our relationship(s) with other life-forms:

https://www.bernardokastrup.com/2020...imals-and.html

Hi David,

Welcome back.
I agree with him we have the responsibility to consider well being of animals we take care of, as nobody else can take that responsibility.

Some thoughts....
At the same time, it's always going to be a fuzzy topic with no absolutism. We gotta eat, plough the fields, feed our pets.

He brings up parrots and these are animals we can have a bond it. We also have it with dogs, cats, horses, among others.
At the same time most of us are okay feeding sheep or chicken to our dogs or eating it ourselves. Or chopping trees to have a field for horses.

We have preference for some animals, because of how we relate to them. It is a mirror...
We like the dog because the dog is like us.. we co-evolved with a meat-eating mammal.

We still have to make choices, which will always have consequences. If we were to be non-discriminatory we could no longer consume anything...
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Hi David.. and this is an issue that can and will go on for eternity. It's true to say that in "effect" we are all killers to some degree. The natural food chain that we are all aware of ... As an example will never cease. As Altair says... Even if one is vegan , we still feed our pets with food which comes from that chain. I would even go as far as to say even picking and eating nuts is "killing " something . It's all a fine line. Otherwise we would eat nothing and all perish. On the other scale, there is a difference between killing something and keeping something that is alive , in captivity to live in abject misery.
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Hi David.. and this is an issue that can and will go on for eternity. It's true to say that in "effect" we are all killers to some degree. The natural food chain that we are all aware of ... As an example will never cease. As Altair says... Even if one is vegan , we still feed our pets with food which comes from that chain. I would even go as far as to say even picking and eating nuts is "killing " something . It's all a fine line. Otherwise we would eat nothing and all perish. On the other scale, there is a difference between killing something and keeping something that is alive , in captivity to live in abject misery.

Besides killing, we also are symbiotic with other life forms. Can you imagine digesting foods without bacteria in our gut, etc.? As we watch billions of bacteria and virus cells every time we take a shower, we also play host for billions more life forms that live on and in our bodies.

As you say "we are all killers to some degree" and I would say and it is all relative. To us, it should not bother us much because of the belief in reincarnation.
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Hi David.. and this is an issue that can and will go on for eternity. It's true to say that in "effect" we are all killers to some degree. The natural food chain that we are all aware of ... As an example will never cease. As Altair says... Even if one is vegan , we still feed our pets with food which comes from that chain. I would even go as far as to say even picking and eating nuts is "killing " something . It's all a fine line. Otherwise we would eat nothing and all perish. On the other scale, there is a difference between killing something and keeping something that is alive , in captivity to live in abject misery.

The pet bit is important. Our dogs and cats need meat. Cats are obligate carnivores. Cats could of course go and hunt mice and birds, but would you want to see all songbirds disappear? Because there are many cats! A dog can live on a vegetarian diet but it doesn't seem optimal at all. They can get very fat on a low protein diet. One can say ''but there's plant protein in beans'', however beans are high carb too!

It's an 'inconvenient' truth that we need the farm animals to keep our pets (and people) around, just as we need the manure. All things considered... I would argue that local chickens (such as from gardens) and organic animal farming are sustainable. You can have a grassland with not just cows but also flowers, insects, birds. OTOH, if you have a field for one crop you want to exterminate all 'pests' for maximum yield. There are a lot of farm animals though, which is also an issue..

It's a very complex picture but if you support local/regional *good practices* you're on the right track.

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