Everything is an expression of conciousness

[r6r6]

Originally Posted by God-Like

All this talk about the void and such likes, is no clearer, all there is, is another made up word that doesn't bring forth any answers either ..x daz x

At a minimum consciousness = twoness = othernerss =ergo awareness.

Whether via 5 senses or Gravity or EMRadiation { /\/\ visual \/\/ }, sound { audio}, touc { tacitle } etc.

O/\/\/\/\/O, or via (O)()()()(O), or other

There exists only one true void, and that is of macro-infinite non-occupied space, that, embraces our finite occupied space Universe aka Uni-V-ers
All volumetric space is defined by no less than three spatial dimensions, XYZ, that are at 90 dgrees to each other.

The 4th spatial dimension and all other hyper-spatial diemensions are contained withthin XYZ, but only when XYZ is volmetric defined, and that is minimally by a right-angled tetra{4}hedron.

The 4th d is a volumetric diagonal that stems from the set of 3, 90 degree angles and vertex 0 and goes a 45 degree angular trajectory from adjacent to XYZ.

This 4th d is then the axis for a tetrahedron, or if it continues onward, the axis for a cube. All axi allow for conceptual spinnability of the polyhedron, of which the tetrahedron is the minimal polyhedron of Universe, composed of;

4 vertexes Y

6 edges/chords/lines/trajectorys _________

4 openings/surfaces/faces/n-events

12 surface angles total 720 degrees

..........Space( * ) i ( * )Space............


........Space( /\/ )( \/\ )Space.........



............Space(><)(><)Space.........

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by r6r6r

At a minimum consciousness = twoness = othernerss =ergo awareness.

Whether via 5 senses or Gravity or EMRadiation { /\/\ visual \/\/ }, sound { audio}, touc { tacitle } etc.

O/\/\/\/\/O, or via (O)()()()(O), or other

There exists only one true void, and that is of macro-infinite non-occupied space, that, embraces our finite occupied space Universe aka Uni-V-ers
All volumetric space is defined by no less than three spatial dimensions, XYZ, that are at 90 dgrees to each other.

The 4th spatial dimension and all other hyper-spatial diemensions are contained withthin XYZ, but only when XYZ is volmetric defined, and that is minimally by a right-angled tetra{4}hedron.

The 4th d is a volumetric diagonal that stems from the set of 3, 90 degree angles and vertex 0 and goes a 45 degree angular trajectory from adjacent to XYZ.

This 4th d is then the axis for a tetrahedron, or if it continues onward, the axis for a cube. All axi allow for conceptual spinnability of the polyhedron, of which the tetrahedron is the minimal polyhedron of Universe, composed of;

4 vertexes Y

6 edges/chords/lines/trajectorys _________

4 openings/surfaces/faces/n-events

12 surface angles total 720 degrees

..........Space( * ) i ( * )Space............


........Space( /\/ )( \/\ )Space.........



............Space(><)(><)Space.........

But who is present within the void that realises that pure consciousness is that .

The void is just a made up word to explain a particular state of mind ..

They're cannot be a true void when the void is a made upon word to explain a particular state .

This is what I have been getting at for a while now .

We can reference a state as being this or that, but it cannot be realised or known to be true when they're isn't anyone there present .

Pure consciousness or pure awareness are just associations made to refer to what we are ..


x daz x

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by God-Like

The void is just a made up word to explain a particular state of mind ..

I will never change your mind ...only the Divine can do that with direct experience.
The Void is not exactly a 'made up word'...it's the best we can do (we - over centuries, I mean), who, for some reason, have experienced it.
Sure we could say Nothingness...the Vacuum ...Void is a great word, tho.
Take a walk in silent space with NO stars ---maybe that could be described?
I dunno.
(Except you don't have any hands and no one anywhere to call back to...no cord connecting you to anything.)

There is nothing except your own Pure Awareness of what? ....utter nothing....dumb struck with nothingness.
May you have this experience one day.

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I will never change your mind ...only the Divine can do that with direct experience.
The Void is not exactly a 'made up word'...it's the best we can do (we - over centuries, I mean), who, for some reason, have experienced it.
Sure we could say Nothingness...the Vacuum ...Void is a great word, tho.
Take a walk in silent space with NO stars ---maybe that could be described?
I dunno.
(Except you don't have any hands and no one anywhere to call back to...no cord connecting you to anything.)

There is nothing except your own Pure Awareness of what? ....utter nothing....dumb struck with nothingness.
May you have this experience one day.

I had this experience quite a few times and I did not enjoy to be there, why? Emptiness, nothingness, blackness, there's nothing, absolutely nothing there, only your awareness of your own "existence".

There's no left or right, neither up or down, no point of reference, nothing, blackness everywhere.

This is what many NDEs talk about about, I experienced it because of my health problems and always it happened while I was sleeping.

Everytime when I was in process of going to this "place", I felt as if I was being erased out of existence because all you ever knew, disappears.

[Miss Hepburn]

I know, right? Exactly, That Man.

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I know, right? Exactly, That Man.

This is the outer darkness that the Bible talks about, the deepest "hell", it's horrible for the human "I" because there's no way for the human "I" to exist in that place where nothing exists so the human "I" is totally erased because it never existed in the first place, it only "thought" it existed.

Imagine for a moment that there is no "I", you cant!!

This place scared me so so badly that I actually started to doubt the whole idea of spirituality and the notion of "after life", there's no "life" there, nothing to do, nothing to see, but looking at the many NDEs people had, "you" don't stay there for too long ( btw, there's no time there, so you can be there for eons or for a second, it's the same thing ). "You" either go back to your body or go back to a "form" of reality, some being of light comes to your rescue, from here, you either stay or are sent back to Earth.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by ThatMan

This is the outer darkness that the Bible talks about, the deepest "hell", it's horrible for the human "I" because there's no way for the human "I" to exist in that place where nothing exists so the human "I" is totally erased because it never existed in the firs place, it only "thought" it existed.

Imagine for a moment that there is no "I", you cant!!

This place scared me so so badly that I actually started to doubt the whole idea of spirituality and the notion of "after life", there's no "life" there, nothing to do, nothing to see, but looking at the many NDEs people had, "you" don't stay there for too long ( btw, there's no time there, so you can be there for eons or for a second, it's the same thing ). "You" either go back to your body or go back to a "form" of reality, some being of light comes to your rescue, from here, you either stay or are sent back to Earth.

OH!
Hell? Scary?
So, sorry it wasn't to me nor to the only friend of mine that exp'd it---he sees it as an ocean of sheer peace. Interesting, huh?

I didn't at the time...I was full of wonder - utter wonder - it was amazing...
there was no one else ...ONE Consciousness that was aware of being the Only One ...and then that One was ME!!!!!!!! Gulp.
Not scary, (for me) ..nothing to be afraid OF! Ha!!!
I feel bad saying that now, tho.

Certainly so new and strange I didn't care to stay!
I gained much insight, tho.
But I gotta run.

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

OH!
Hell? Scary?
So, sorry it wasn't to me nor to the only friend of mine that exp'd it---he sees it as an ocean of sheer peace. Interesting, huh?

I didn't at the time...I was full of wonder - utter wonder - it was amazing...
there was no one else ...ONE Consciousness that was aware of being the Only One ...and then that
One was ME!!!!!!!! Gulp.
Not scary, (for me) ..nothing to be afraid OF! Ha!!!
I feel bad saying that now, tho.

Certainly so new and strange I didn't care to stay!
I gained much insight, tho.
But I gotta run.

Have you arrived to this place because of some health issue or through meditation? If it is the latter, then you were not dying, dying is 99.999% of the cases, horrible for the "I", unless you are at peace with it. I studied many NDEs and almost all talk about the same terror one gets to experience when one firstly arrives there.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by ThatMan

Have you arrived to this place because of some health issue or through meditation? If it is the latter, then you were not dying, dying is 99.999% of the cases, horrible for the "I", unless you are at peace with it. I studied many NDEs and almost all talk about the same terror one gets to experience when one firstly arrives there.

Nope, not dying or health.
Terror? We are reading diff NDE's, then. But I'm sure there are terrified people...at first anyway.
Health? -wait. Well at 23 after quite a long 106 fever - afterwards I had profound
things happen - not the Void ...way better....don't know what to call them Divine Insights -
things shown to me...they haven't stopped is the thing. Lol.
I believe most call that 'weird'.

Originally Posted by ThatMan

Imagine for a moment that there is no "I", you cant!!

That's my main practice (Jnana Yoga) and I have a pretty good imagination. Granted I can't maintain it 24x7 and if I could I'd be Enlightened. That's going to take a lot more practice. Oh well, if not this time around the block maybe next time or the time after that. LOL!

This is probably what disturbs many about non-duality and specifically the Advaita flavor. In essence one is the impersonal Divine (Brahman) and the mind-body is but a biological machine with an illusion of "I"ness.

The interesting thing is it actually dovetails with the reductive materialist view of science in that neuroscience and psychology take the position consciousness and free will are illusions. An emergent quality of the brain's complexity and nothing more.

The Advaita perspective is consciousness is real but it's Brahman and It illumines mind. The the ego-self (Ahamkara, the I-maker) then appropriates it as its own. "I am conscious".