My Universe and Your Universe

[marshmallow10]

I'm trying to understand this oneness thing. I understand how people believe that the universe is one consciousness and each of us are part of this, just experiencing the world from a unique perspective. But that would mean that there is only one actual consciousness, and this doesn't work for me.

I like to use dreaming as my way to understand the universe. Because when you dream everything, from the other people, the trees, the buildings etc is all within you. The character you are in the dream is within your consciousness, as is everything else. Everything is very real in a dream, while you're dreaming and you don't question it at all until you wake up. That makes sense to me, and I believe it's roughly what's going on now , except sleep dreaming is like a step down from this awake dream. But then I get stuck on the other people in my life, and even animals. The other conscious beings.

I've come up with my own ideas. Maybe the idea about multiple universes is correct. Maybe each one of us is our own universe. Maybe the way people talk about parallel universes is just other consciousnesses (people). Could we just attract other people and experiences, or other universes into our lives depending on our own state of mind, or frequency at the time?

Is it like atoms? You know how certain atoms are attracted to each other and share their electrons to bond together? And others are repelled? Maybe each consciousness (person, universe) is like that in a much more complicated way. You know how you say, this person is in my orbit? We share experiences (electrons) with others for a period of time.

This could explain why we tend to attract the same types of people and experiences over and over until we change our own state of mind. But then I wonder, if it was this way, and each living being is their own "universe dream", then there must be something beyond the universe. And that just gets crazy because we couldn't ever imagine that.

Anyway, any thoughts or other ideas? I'd be interested to hear what other people think about this subject.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by marshmallow10

I'm trying to understand this oneness thing. I understand how people believe that the universe is one consciousness and each of us are part of this, just experiencing the world from a unique perspective. But that would mean that there is only one actual consciousness, and this doesn't work for me.

I like to use dreaming as my way to understand the universe. Because when you dream everything, from the other people, the trees, the buildings etc is all within you. The character you are in the dream is within your consciousness, as is everything else. Everything is very real in a dream, while you're dreaming and you don't question it at all until you wake up. That makes sense to me, and I believe it's roughly what's going on now , except sleep dreaming is like a step down from this awake dream. But then I get stuck on the other people in my life, and even animals. The other conscious beings.

I've come up with my own ideas. Maybe the idea about multiple universes is correct. Maybe each one of us is our own universe. Maybe the way people talk about parallel universes is just other consciousnesses (people). Could we just attract other people and experiences, or other universes into our lives depending on our own state of mind, or frequency at the time?

Is it like atoms? You know how certain atoms are attracted to each other and share their electrons to bond together? And others are repelled? Maybe each consciousness (person, universe) is like that in a much more complicated way. You know how you say, this person is in my orbit? We share experiences (electrons) with others for a period of time.

This could explain why we tend to attract the same types of people and experiences over and over until we change our own state of mind. But then I wonder, if it was this way, and each living being is their own "universe dream", then there must be something beyond the universe. And that just gets crazy because we couldn't ever imagine that.

Anyway, any thoughts or other ideas? I'd be interested to hear what other people think about this subject.

From a nondual perspective, Oneness is the only reality, and the many solid looking things we see around us, including ourselves, are merely a manifested appearance of difference where there is no difference whatsoever.

If this resonates, the point is to achieve a realization that we are already what we seek.

Non-duality is just an eastern concept and do to many different reasons like false memory syndrome/ herd mentality/ indoctrination/ tech it has become popular again during this new age movement.

[Tianna-Fae]

Originally Posted by marshmallow10

I'm trying to understand this oneness thing. I understand how people believe that the universe is one consciousness and each of us are part of this, just experiencing the world from a unique perspective. But that would mean that there is only one actual consciousness, and this doesn't work for me.

I use a fish tank of water as a practical way of visualising and demonstrating the process of the individuation of consciousness while retaining its essential unity, and I'll try to describe it here.

Imagine a large tank of water, to keep it in easily visualised terms. This water represents pure Consciousness in its essential form.

Take a clear plastic cup or glass and dip it in the water until it is nearly full, then float it on the surface of the water in the tank. The cup or glass loosely represents your physical body and / or mind, which separates your consciousness (in the glass) form the consciousness in the tank.

In this state, the cup/glass represents the newborn state. The consciousness in the glass is separated from the Universal consciousness by a thin physical barrier. The individual consciousness in the glass has very little, or no, awareness of the greater consciousness outside of itself. Indeed, in this state, it might even deny the existence of any consciousness outside of itself.

Drip a small amount of ink or food colouring into the water in the glass. This ink or food colouring represents your individual life-experience, which colours your individual consciousness.

Finally, gently tip the glass, emptying it slowly back into the tank, and then safely dispose of the cup/glass. The coloured water will remain in a cloudy state, retaining its colouring/experience, before eventually merging back into the whole. Emptying the coloured glass into the tank represents the death of the physical body; the removal of the physical barrier between the Individual Consciousness and the Universal Consciousness. The individual life experience merges once more with the whole.

I hope this small visualisation helps you understand it a bit better.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Tianna-Fae

I use a fish tank of water as a practical way of visualising and demonstrating the process of the individuation of consciousness while retaining its essential unity, and I'll try to describe it here.

Imagine a large tank of water, to keep it in easily visualised terms. This water represents pure Consciousness in its essential form.

Take a clear plastic cup or glass and dip it in the water until it is nearly full, then float it on the surface of the water in the tank. The cup or glass loosely represents your physical body and / or mind, which separates your consciousness (in the glass) form the consciousness in the tank.

In this state, the cup/glass represents the newborn state. The consciousness in the glass is separated from the Universal consciousness by a thin physical barrier. The individual consciousness in the glass has very little, or no, awareness of the greater consciousness outside of itself. Indeed, in this state, it might even deny the existence of any consciousness outside of itself.

Drip a small amount of ink or food colouring into the water in the glass. This ink or food colouring represents your individual life-experience, which colours your individual consciousness.

Finally, gently tip the glass, emptying it slowly back into the tank, and then safely dispose of the cup/glass. The coloured water will remain in a cloudy state, retaining its colouring/experience, before eventually merging back into the whole. Emptying the coloured glass into the tank represents the death of the physical body; the removal of the physical barrier between the Individual Consciousness and the Universal Consciousness. The individual life experience merges once more with the whole.

I hope this small visualisation helps you understand it a bit better.

Very good nice visualization and explanation .

Originally Posted by Tianna-Fae

I use a fish tank of water as a practical way of visualising and demonstrating the process of the individuation of consciousness while retaining its essential unity, and I'll try to describe it here.

Imagine a large tank of water, to keep it in easily visualised terms. This water represents pure Consciousness in its essential form.

Take a clear plastic cup or glass and dip it in the water until it is nearly full, then float it on the surface of the water in the tank. The cup or glass loosely represents your physical body and / or mind, which separates your consciousness (in the glass) form the consciousness in the tank.

In this state, the cup/glass represents the newborn state. The consciousness in the glass is separated from the Universal consciousness by a thin physical barrier. The individual consciousness in the glass has very little, or no, awareness of the greater consciousness outside of itself. Indeed, in this state, it might even deny the existence of any consciousness outside of itself.

Drip a small amount of ink or food colouring into the water in the glass. This ink or food colouring represents your individual life-experience, which colours your individual consciousness.

Finally, gently tip the glass, emptying it slowly back into the tank, and then safely dispose of the cup/glass. The coloured water will remain in a cloudy state, retaining its colouring/experience, before eventually merging back into the whole. Emptying the coloured glass into the tank represents the death of the physical body; the removal of the physical barrier between the Individual Consciousness and the Universal Consciousness. The individual life experience merges once more with the whole.

I hope this small visualisation helps you understand it a bit better.

Really like this too

Thanks

[redstone]

I've noticed something along the same line as Tianna.

there have been numerous occasions when people have near death experiences or on the brink of dying, they experience or are "aware" of seeing everything they have ever done in there life in minute or small details, for example you can liken the content of consciousness as a drop of oil, and a tank of water the universal mind so to speak, when consciousness loses it's physical frame to hold that consciousness, or when the drop of oil lands in the tank....you will notice the oil breaks up into varying shades of colour and into finer parts of itself.....whats interesting is the observer who is witnessing everything they have done in there life during this encounter, as the content of there consciousness is breaking down, how can a part of consciousness see the whole? or is it actually this universal mind witnessing it?
which then begs the question....what is the soul? or the breath of God?

and when people have memories of past lives as children.....is it only very small parts or large parts of that previous consciousness that's imprinted on a new born physical system during pregnancy? just adding to the mix here!

Originally Posted by Tianna-Fae

I use a fish tank of water as a practical way of visualising and demonstrating the process of the individuation of consciousness while retaining its essential unity, and I'll try to describe it here.

Imagine a large tank of water, to keep it in easily visualised terms. This water represents pure Consciousness in its essential form.

Take a clear plastic cup or glass and dip it in the water until it is nearly full, then float it on the surface of the water in the tank. The cup or glass loosely represents your physical body and / or mind, which separates your consciousness (in the glass) form the consciousness in the tank.

In this state, the cup/glass represents the newborn state. The consciousness in the glass is separated from the Universal consciousness by a thin physical barrier. The individual consciousness in the glass has very little, or no, awareness of the greater consciousness outside of itself. Indeed, in this state, it might even deny the existence of any consciousness outside of itself.

Drip a small amount of ink or food colouring into the water in the glass. This ink or food colouring represents your individual life-experience, which colours your individual consciousness.

Finally, gently tip the glass, emptying it slowly back into the tank, and then safely dispose of the cup/glass. The coloured water will remain in a cloudy state, retaining its colouring/experience, before eventually merging back into the whole. Emptying the coloured glass into the tank represents the death of the physical body; the removal of the physical barrier between the Individual Consciousness and the Universal Consciousness. The individual life experience merges once more with the whole.

I hope this small visualisation helps you understand it a bit better.

I'm gonna go big and dispense with the water analogy. Think of consciousness as the very fabric of spacetime itself minus everything. No planets, stars or galaxies. Imagine mind-body a bubble in that spacetime. Does the bubble contain a portion of spacetime or does spacetime contain the bubble? Does the bubble separate the spacetime within from the spacetime without? If the bubble moves or pops does a portion of spacetime move or dissipate?

Spacetime has intrinsic existence while the bubble has extrinsic existence and only by virtue of spacetime. Consciousness is like that. It has intrinsic existence and Its illumination of mind makes it seem like mind is conscious. Contents of mind are illuminations by or reflections of Consciousness and also constrained by mind. The quality of reflection depends on clarity of mind. As Swami Vivekananda was fond of saying "Polish the mirror". Polishing the mirror is spiritual practice.

By the way and from my perspective and understanding spacetime itself is but an appearance within Consciousness. Content of Consciousness.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

I'm gonna go big and dispense with the water analogy.

*Think of consciousness as the very fabric of spacetime itself minus everything. No planets, stars or galaxies.

*Imagine mind-body a bubble in that spacetime.

*Does the bubble contain a portion of spacetime or does spacetime contain the bubble?

*Does the bubble separate the spacetime within from the spacetime without?

*If the bubble moves or pops does a portion of spacetime move or dissipate?

*Spacetime has intrinsic existence while the bubble has extrinsic existence and only by virtue of spacetime. Consciousness is like that.

*It has intrinsic existence and Its illumination of mind makes it seem like mind is conscious.

*Contents of mind are illuminations by or reflections of Consciousness and also constrained by mind.

*The quality of reflection depends on clarity of mind. As Swami Vivekananda was fond of saying "Polish the mirror". Polishing the mirror is spiritual practice.

By the way and from my perspective and understanding

*spacetime itself is but an appearance within Consciousness. Content of Consciousness.

The *sentences made my mouth drop; such good descriptions. Well done.
Ha, the spaces just 'happened...but I'll leave them.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Tianna-Fae

I use a fish tank of water as a practical way of visualising and demonstrating the process of the individuation of consciousness while retaining its essential unity, and I'll try to describe it here.

Imagine a large tank of water, to keep it in easily visualised terms. This water represents pure Consciousness in its essential form.

Take a clear plastic cup or glass and dip it in the water until it is nearly full, then float it on the surface of the water in the tank. The cup or glass loosely represents your physical body and / or mind, which separates your consciousness (in the glass) form the consciousness in the tank.

In this state, the cup/glass represents the newborn state. The consciousness in the glass is separated from the Universal consciousness by a thin physical barrier. The individual consciousness in the glass has very little, or no, awareness of the greater consciousness outside of itself. Indeed, in this state, it might even deny the existence of any consciousness outside of itself.

Drip a small amount of ink or food colouring into the water in the glass. This ink or food colouring represents your individual life-experience, which colours your individual consciousness.

Finally, gently tip the glass, emptying it slowly back into the tank, and then safely dispose of the cup/glass. The coloured water will remain in a cloudy state, retaining its colouring/experience, before eventually merging back into the whole. Emptying the coloured glass into the tank represents the death of the physical body; the removal of the physical barrier between the Individual Consciousness and the Universal Consciousness. The individual life experience merges once more with the whole.

I hope this small visualisation helps you understand it a bit better.

I had not seen this one....love it.
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