Illusion?

[Aupmanyav]

Originally Posted by hazada guess

I'd like to put people straight on this subject.

I kept on blinking to try to raise my vibration but i couldn't.THIS PLANET IS NOT AN ILLUSION.
I shall go back to sleep.

Prick your finger, blood comes out. Has any molecule of the pin touched any molecule of your body? No. Don't go back to sleep, try to raise your vibration again.

[AngelBlue]

At the end of the day the only vibration we can raise is our own. We cannot be responsible for everyone else's ....
LOL... I've tried and failed.

But guess what ? When you find someone on the same frequency as yourself it's like winning a teddy out of the rigged machines at the seaside .....

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Aupmanyav

Prick your finger, blood comes out. Has any molecule of the pin touched any molecule of your body? No.

Huh? Can you explain this better.
What touched what then to break the skin and capillary.
That went right over my head!

Originally Posted by hazada guess

.THIS PLANET IS NOT AN ILLUSION.

Is there any "framework" to say any experience as a Truth or Illusion?

Science says, Yes, it is based on Repetition and Sensations.

Vedanta/Buddhism says, Yes, "That which makes one trust what is sensually experienced is Real is the Illusionary Powers".

Trusting One's Inner Experiences is a Foolish Belief, says Science.
Trusting One's Sensual Experiences is the Ignorant Belief caused by the Astonishing Illusionary/Magical Power,
says Vedanta,Buddhism,Philosophers.

It's upto One to Trust which and which not, and Suffer or Be Peaceful accordingly. It's open to One.

Note - Vedanta not says this Planet is an Illusion, but the Emergence/Creation is by an Illusionary Power. This Planet is there but not in an Experienceable manner. As it is not in an Experiencing state, the manner it is experienced now is by the Illusionary Power. It's There, but not experienced as being there in Truth. Like an Ungrown Tree within the Seed, Only the Seed and the Idea/Subtle Presence of Tree within the Seed in Actuality, and it is Imagined as if it is Grown for our desires and Playful pleasures.

[hazada guess]

can you feel anything in an illusion, are 8 billion people having
the same illusion.
Some people are easily taken in by anything or anyone they hear. They are desperate for any explanation off anyone be itMaster or whoever.
The difference is I KNOW
I'm English by the way so quoting foreign languages will get you nowhere.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by hazada guess

I'm English by the way so quoting foreign languages will get you nowhere.

Viswa ---you didn't ---you did good, btw.
There were no Sanskrit words used.
He meant quoting from foreign language books. So let's move on from that one! :)

Originally Posted by hazada guess

can you feel anything in an illusion, are 8 billion people having
the same illusion.
Some people are easily taken in by anything or anyone they hear. They are desperate for any explanation off anyone be itMaster or whoever.
The difference is I KNOW.

Trusting the "Noding of the head" as "Yes" of 8 Billion Ignorant People, is the Illusion. Frogs in a well, try to pull down the frog which tries to go beyond the Well, never Trusting the Well as the only Reality and the words of Other Frogs. The Curiosity of that Frog to find out what's beyond the Well, makes it not suffer bonding to the Well.

If it is said by God "World is Real my Boy", it's okay to Trust, but never trust the ignorant suffering 8 Billion foolish people and Trillions and Trillions of Living beings.

Trust the one who is Peaceful and Unaffected, and never be a fool of trusting Whoever. Now who takes easily anyone or any 8 billion says? All the Frogs or the Frog curious to know what's beyond?

It is the Sameness accepted by all ignorant makes one be fools and suffer fighting within the well for survival. That is the Amazing Illusionary power, makes the same for all, and dwell ignorant.

The Difference is, Not Knowing

There is One Frog, sitting on the top of Well, and seems Peaceful and not affected by anything happening in the Well. That Frog shouts many times in many ways, "Don't be down in the Well, Come Up to Me, This Well is limitation and not Real". Other Frogs never care it's voice, because they have their own God's (Scientists and Philosophers), making them to trust the Wellness of the Well. Also, Mocks that Frog which hears the voice of the Frog Above, and laughs at that. What is worthy to trust? The One at the Top or Huge Number of "I Know"ers being down? They are Fools and Suffer a lot. Not them. Only The ONE at the top, and to Climb up and leave the Well is the only Goal. Let the Ignorant fight for what they need within the Well and Trust the Beauty of the Well as Real Beauty, but not the Truly Knowledgable.

[hazada guess]

Whatever.

ps....i'm not a frog just a soul in a physical body who only has time for fact not fiction.

[hazada guess]

Here in the UK it's bedtime, I hope I don't have a nightmare about frogs or wells.
Maybe I'll come up with a new wise phrase.

[charly233]

Originally Posted by hazada guess

THIS PLANET IS NOT AN ILLUSION.
I know. It is on a lower vibration.

Yes. Your post has got me thinking. What is an illusion? What is reality? Does it really matter?

I tend to feel that pain and suffering are an illusion; whilst joy, bliss and happiness etc are Real. But if pain is an illusion it appears to be so real as an experience that it might as well be real. If suffering is an illusion it is one that appears to be so real that it drives some people to suicide.

Although I often tell myself and others that we live in a dream world, I don't really know what this means. I experience the world, or at least the bad things in it, as if it was a dream or an illusion. But is it really just a dream? Or maybe the planet is real but it exists at a lower frequency than the celestial realms that appear to be real to me.

Yes. I may shift my thinking about this. What appears to be an illusion to me may actually be a lower frequency reality. Yet again all I can say is that I really don't know.

Thanks for encouraging me to think about this.