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Old 17-04-2024, 12:39 AM
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Australian Aboriginals lose ‘colour’ really fast, so the colour of a person’s skin is no indication of that person’s indigenous identity claim.

Here the actress (playing "Mary") is half Finnish half Aboriginal:

But never in a million years did I think it possible that “whites” would fake being Australian Aborigines or of Aboriginal descend. That sort of thing could only happen in America I thought - but no, it is happening:
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Came across this:

Well, since Myheritage does not have Saami source population, Finns are the closest match for them and of course all Finns are Saami admixed, some only little, some much more.

But what I found very interesting was this comment by “barguttobed”:
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Since the term 'Ancient North Eurasian' refers to a genetic bridge of connected mating networks, scholars of comparative mythology have argued that they probably shared myths and beliefs that could be reconstructed via the comparison of stories attested within cultures that were not in contact for millennia and stretched from the Pontic–Caspian steppe to the American continent.


For instance, the mytheme of the dog guarding the Otherworld possibly stems from an older Ancient North Eurasian belief, as suggested by similar motifs found in Indo-European, Native American and Siberian mythology. In Siouan, Algonquian, Iroquoian, and in Central and South American beliefs, a fierce guard dog was located in the Milky Way, perceived as the path of souls in the afterlife, and getting past it was a test. The Siberian Chukchi and Tungus believed in a guardian-of-the-afterlife dog and a spirit dog that would absorb the dead man's soul and act as a guide in the afterlife. In Indo-European myths, the figure of the dog is embodied by Cerberus, Sarvarā, and Garmr. In Zoroastrianism, two four-eyed dogs guard the bridge to the afterlife called Chinvat Bridge. Anthony and Brown note that it might be one of the oldest mythemes recoverable through comparative mythology.

Which brings me to this picture about the Proto-Uralic-worldview, I had posted previously, where that dog is:

Only the sketch above doesn’t give the sense, the hair-raising feeling of that kind of a situation happening.
This image depicts “getting past the test” better:

But to put it into the Forest Saami landscape (where through spontaneous ‘distance viewing’ I saw a vision of it) … There is this special deep ravine in that landscape and that ‘blackness’ (like in NDEs … blackness that is the transition stage from one state of awareness to the next), with a point of light at the end of the ravine (not tunnel like in NDEs). And both sides of the ravine are these “ferocious dogs”. They are like embedded into the ravine cliffs (as if dogs of stone, asleep) and if one doesn’t have any fear going through that blackness, they will stay that way and let one pass & then the Light dawns.
Not an NDE, not actual death, but a shamanic initiation where one goes through the same kind of motions …
So, I thought that ravine in the landscape had perhaps been used for that purpose, as a portal & had the war between Russia and Ukraine not started, I would have made an effort to go there and see that ravine irl.

But what are the Siouan, Algonquian, Iroquoian, and in Central and South American beliefs about it?
Never heard of those.
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Old Today, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sentient
Not an NDE, not actual death, but a shamanic initiation where one goes through the same kind of motions …
But what are the Siouan, Algonquian, Iroquoian, and in Central and South American beliefs about it?

Well, it seems I don't really know much about the shamanic journey...Or do I ??
I do not know any shamanic practitioners in Life that has explained those things to me...
I do read some from people that claim to be shaman, though I can't make heads or tails if they are real shamanic practitioners or imagination travelers...
I get the sense that people talk on many different levels of dream,vision,subconscious burps,imagination,astral plain, other such dimensions...So it's all a bit confusing to me...
I guess time will tell...

I did try looking into the swan and the milky-way... I see that also in your jpeg..
I thought I read the swan was big medicine in the dying process and has something to do with a big lake in Siberia...

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