Belief in Jesus Christ

[Belle]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I never want to minimize Jesus' role...I don't know if I will ever grasp the depth of what it was,
Bec I think there are so many layers...more and sometimes different from what we have been left as written about him.

So yes, multi-dimensional and how he connects to so many in different ways because he encompassed so very very much. And how we limit him by attempting to understand, and our experience is very much our experience because that is where we meet him and he meets us. For others, it is different - which doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

Originally Posted by Belle

So yes, multi-dimensional and how he connects to so many in different ways because he encompassed so very very much. And how we limit him by attempting to understand, and our experience is very much our experience because that is where we meet him and he meets us. For others, it is different - which doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

The belief in Jesus is rational and invites rational investigation:

Jesus Christ is so multi dimensional. He is the most loftiest idea in literature. The highest personality in Philosophy. He is the supreme problem in high criticism. He is the fundamental doctrine of True theology. He is the cardinal necessity of Spiritual religion.

[Belle]

Multidimensional - yes, rational investigaton - yes - but with the knowing that one can't understand the whole package and that there will always be a bit further to investigate.

NOt sure if he is the loftiest idea in literature, or Philosophy. I would also look to Arjuna and Krishna (not having studied the Gita but it is on my list)

Originally Posted by Belle

Multidimensional - yes, rational investigaton - yes - but with the knowing that one can't understand the whole package and that there will always be a bit further to investigate.

NOt sure if he is the loftiest idea in literature, or Philosophy. I would also look to Arjuna and Krishna (not having studied the Gita but it is on my list)

We are finite, therefore, who is able to perceive or comprehend His infinite wisdom?

Isaiah 55:8-9

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.

“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

[Miss Hepburn]

Amilius777,
Could u tell me where it talks about Jesus' resurrecting bec of his sinless life?
I don't know where to look...maybe sinless in my Concordance...
And let's do this not pming...I think it benefits people, imo.


Yes, I have heard before about doubts in Yogananda, one way or another.

The letter 'J' didn't exsist until the 14th century, and the letter 'J' isn't in the hebrew alphabet.

[Amilius777]

There is no saying in the Gospels- "Jesus was raised because he had no sin". It says "God has raised Jesus and made him Son of God" That is basically what is said in the Epistles, Acts, Peter's writings, etc. The point was that Jesus kept himself united to the One God of Israel even unto death and fear of death.

Jesus embracing the "sin" or social injustice of the world on the cross and giving back to the world nothing but graces and forgiveness merited him the Resurrection. He broke the cycle of violence, sin, and regression. It does not explicitly state "reincarnation" but we know from scholars that the First Century Jews had many sects that followed reincarnation. In fact it is pretty widely known that Jesus' community were heavily influenced by Eastern philosophy in Nazareth. The idea of Jesus transcending reincarnation and manifesting resurrection are very much interconnected.

But it states that Jesus was raised because he knew all human suffering but was without "sin". Everyone thinks that word means that Jesus was perfect. That he went around like some angelic robot. But that is not true. We learn in the earliest documents that Jesus grows sometimes angry with those he heals, he gets frustrated with friends, he goes ballistic on the Temple, he yells at Peter and calls him Satan, etc. Jesus wasn't perfect as a man. Jesus was pure of course. Only someone with that purity who loves healing people can heal. But Jesus was without "separation from God".

Sin means "harm unto others, and separation from God". Which is the opposite of "Love one another as your self and God". Rebellion in the Bible means - "The Regression of the Soul from Perfection". And so Jesus never sinned. Did he maybe get a little sexual stimulation at times? Probably. He was a man. Did he get annoyed or angry with people? Of course we see it. Did Jesus throws tantrums? Yup. Did Jesus offend everybody? Yes he did. Didn't Jesus as the Christ or Divine Self call his own mother- "Woman"? That must have been harsh on her.

Jesus did and said a lot of strange and questionable things. But he was good, he was pure, and innocent. What made him perfect was the crucifixion of his false self on the cross, the relatively good man, and the resurrection into the Perfect Man, God the Son.

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The thing about Yogananda may take a whole page lol. So I will save it for after you reply to my first part lol

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by mark payne

The letter 'J' didn't exsist until the 14th century,
and the letter 'J' isn't in the hebrew alphabet.

Yeshua, Jesus...a rose is a rose...sorry, just wondered if there was more.

[Miss Hepburn]

Hi Amilius,
I believe I have read your other threads regarding Yogananda...I think that was you.
And thank you for those.

I'm a stickler for extrapolation.
I don't see that because Jesus was without sin, that that was why he resurrected
or was able to come back. I'm just not able to come to that conclusion myself.

I still find Jesus to be perfect tho he got impatient with his disciples (esp Matt 17, ha,
and in front of a big crowd no less!!)
Anger expressed is no problem and is necessary, imo...it is only the limited concepts of how love "should" look that is why humans get muddled about it, imo.

Also, I don't believe he called Peter satan. He was addressing satan, not Peter.

Btw, I enjoy talking with you about this stuff. I think we have similar backgrounds.

[Amilius777]

Hey Miss Hepburn:

Yes you are correct. He called it Satan when Peter told Jesus he would not have to die. Jesus wasn't calling Peter a bad person but addressing the fact that it was the negative force, the lower consciousness speaking through Peter. It was more of a lesson for Peter to keep his gaze and focus Jesus' Consciousness, not his own.

But the whole sinless thing has to do with keeping the will one with God's will. There was one moment where Jesus was tempted to "sin" or forget the love of God. It was when he felt forsaken by the Father that he cried out those famous words from Psalms. But the idea is that Jesus never gave into the act of "sin". Sin is an action not a state of being. Sadly many people see the word "sin" and they think it is some type of "evil substance". When in fact evil only exists in the reality of action and choosing the "apparent good". Whereas purity is choosing to do that which is righteousness and one with God.

I get what you are saying. Then why didn't Mother Mary who was sinless also resurrect from the dead? The fact is that Jesus did not only resurrect because of being pure but because he took on the "Sin of the World". This sin is the social injustice from the time of Cain and Abel to the time of Jesus' mission. Jesus is taking on this energy of violence, the bad karma of the race which is violence. He took it on to transform harm and violence into love and forgiveness.

Luke's Gospel basically states that He gave graces in exchange of curses. The 1st Century disciples believed he was raised because of his sinless perfect sacrifice on the cross. But what do we learn of the resurrection? Was it a special privilege for Jesus? Or was it a sign of hope for his apostles and for all future generations that you too will have some form of "resurrection" into a higher plane. Jesus' resurrection is unique because he was a God-man, a savior, or avatar. So yes if you are trying to allude to the metaphysical reasons then yes. But I don't think you can just become a Yogi, learn great powers and do all kinds of dematerialization.

This type of power is usually demonstrated by ego-less saints like Francis of Assisi, the Buddha, and Padre Pio. Whereas other powers can be accessed by yogis and psychics who are not necessarily advanced in spirituality.

Conclusion? Actual Resurrection was a sign for the apostles that Jesus was who he said he was and that he was proving death to be an illusion. His Resurrection was purposeful to wash away the "fear of death" so they too could spread his mission and pass down his teachings and go to their deaths with that same nondualistic consciousness. Thus NOT "tasting death".


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I am glad we love talking about this! We must have had some crazy turns and twists with our Christian upbringings to bring us to this type of place to talk our heads off!