MAYA

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

It's long journey and at times slippery and treacherous . So patience and perseverance is key . So with same zeal and zest u should learn and master worldly subjects as well . Without expertise in wordly subjects (which too are part of Brahman) your experiences may fall on the side of ignorance / foolishness / fraudulent..

Hi sir. You are right, it’s very slippery and patience is key.

Thank you.

[FallingLeaves]

while we are on the topic of 'experiences' did you notice that it is a habit of humans to try to gain 'acceptable' ones, and try to get rid of 'unacceptable' ones? We all buy into that in some form... even the wise ones have bought some concept or another solely on the theory it was 'acceptable' and the alternatives were 'unacceptable'. But the question I ask myself is, how does one know such things, if one won't actually venture out and look at them but instead theorizes about their potential for being acceptable?

I consider it the fundamental foolishness... and yet to try to go beyond this leads to a perception of loneliness noone will touch... and to buy into it can get one a great following, as many have found...

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

I consider it the fundamental foolishness... and yet to try to go beyond this leads to a perception of loneliness noone will touch... and to buy into it can get one a great following, as many have found...

Hi there, falling leaves. Happy to meet you.

Thank you for bringing such a clear perception sir/ma’am.

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

Hi Viswa ,
Without expertise in wordly subjects (which too are part of Brahman) your experiences may fall on the side of ignorance / foolishness / fraudulent.

Sir... Could you please describe what kind of worldly subjects one have to compulsorily expertise? I couldn't find 'what are they' and it's all circling in my thoughts. Kindly please express those.

And also, when I said in previous post of "He is this/that/everything", it brings upon a bliss only when "mind is empty". But when mind is occupied with the sexual cravings as such, the fact of "He is everything, The One" - all looks upon just identification and it doesn't put a stop to cravings. I was wrong again too. As you said, I have to be patient and practice more. But what practice, whether 12 methods you said or devotional songs or "identifying 'I am that'", which one I don't know. The mind is wavering sir. It couldn't hold to one thing. It feels/thinks, "Oh. This suits me...nope, the other...nope, the another". Doesn't know which itself suits for myself to hold upon. Whether the senses greeneries, or sleeping narayan pose, or many oscillation happens in distress. If I decide now, those decision too changes. I personally feel I surely need a Guru to guide me what to fix to. To teach me what my nature, if I mingle with monks in an ashram in silence - maybe it grows and suitable for me, or to etc..

Many multiple ways comes upon the mind...Even when I perceive all is That, That too doesn't feels suitable and fear upon future, fear upon what to do, comes in and then an escape from it in form of Porn pleasures comes upon. I can clearly see, when I don't have any fear upon what to do in future, there is full of emptiness and bliss, but fear is still there waiting to arise, as I couldn't decide what to do in my life.

I think only if a Guru comes and express something and tells to 'fix to it', I will take those words as from God and do it without interest. I have no interest in work and so couldn't find what work to do and many waverings, then fear, then masturbation, and awareness and Bliss and emptiness, again don't know what to do in future, and I am caught in this loop.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Viswa

Sir... Could you please describe what kind of worldly subjects one have to compulsorily expertise? I couldn't find 'what are they' and it's all circling in my thoughts. Kindly please express those.

There is plethora of good things to learn in life in trade , business , professions, occupation , hobbies , history ,politics, economics, psychology ,industry, agriculture, engineering, aerospace, anthropology , chemistry , biology ,botany ,astronomy , physiology - list is endless for creative callings in life. Just master in something which suits your taste, aptitude , educational background and capability . Your appreciation and practice of non-duality will be better. Also start working somewhere for meaningful employment and living . You can also be self employed and be useful to society at large for a living . I know many a small time self employed people who make a decent living with hardwork and honesty.

Originally Posted by Viswa

I think only if a Guru comes and express something and tells to 'fix to it', I will take those words as from God and do it without interest. I have no interest in work and so couldn't find what work to do

Scriptures are very clear in that one is alone and alone responsible for one's fate . Guru can merely aid and guide better . But nothing replaces your own resolve and convictions. So I won't advise you to sit and wait for a Guru.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

But the question I ask myself is, how does one know such things, if one won't actually venture out and look at them but instead theorizes about their potential for being acceptable?

I consider it the fundamental foolishness... and yet to try to go beyond this leads to a perception of loneliness noone will touch... and to buy into it can get one a great following, as many have found...

Yes seeker has to venture out in the world and be active in the world and put his / her theories to critical test then only the validity of his/her theory will known.

At certain level one can feel it is foolishness . I can understand that. As an example many countries have poverties in varying degree in their society. Yet their aerospace budgets may be humongous . This may sound like misplaced priority . However it is not . It is only due to heavy investments in unexplored areas and technologies that we reap tremendous benefits in our day to day life . Same way efforts behind religious theories and concepts may look like a waste . But we realize the value of it only in its absence and if it affects us severely. At that time we what such concepts , theories and efforts of yore have done for us n the posterity.

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

There is plethora of good things to learn in life in trade , business , professions, occupation , hobbies , history ,politics, economics, psychology ,industry, agriculture, engineering, aerospace, anthropology , chemistry , biology ,botany ,astronomy , physiology - list is endless for creative callings in life..

Thank you sir.

You know... I'm unfit to speak about spirituality,trade,business,etc.. and so I couldn't find what's my nature. Somehow I found these days that, in whatever things/job, we use 'intellect/mind', I'm unfit for those.. because every moment I confused that "Is this right or not?" "Shall we do this?" "No, it's not right" "Yes, it's right..." "Wait.. I don't know."
I'm unfit for taking any decisions.

So, my suitable job is Clerk or physical wages or any other, where we obey just orders and no decision to be made. I'm very weak at decisions and if I join in a work and someone say "Do it this way", I will do it. I'm not good at Officer/Manger/etc.. due to this decision-lag. When I thought about decisions, many Dharmic/righteous/compassion/etc.. comes in my mind, so I get very confused, sometimes I postpone, sometimes I quit, everytime I fear that "I might took wrong decision, wrong for employer/business/customer/shareholder/workers." This is me. Much fearful to not hurt people/customers, and very much worried for hurting others. This fear, is helpful for customers, but on employer's side - I'm very much troublesome. I treat - 'C' class customers equally with 'A' class customers, feel respectful for all equally, but in reality we cannot give equal importance for all in all the categories you pointed out. If we spend time for one class/category, other gets hurt, and I'm very much fearful of that .. so, I lag in decisions in saving time,cost,money,profit,energy,labour,etc..

Say, if a billionaire is waiting in door steps and a 'C' class customer had came before him, and the 'C' class customer waited for more time, I am in a dilemma in that moment. I'm confused whether to meet first - the first came 'C' class guy or the 'most important client billionaire's. If I chose 'C', I fear of hurting my employer and 'billionaire'. If I chose 'Billionaire', I fear of hurting the first came person.
I spend more time to 'less value' things.. and you know what happens next.

And if any non-ethical things to be done against Govt./customers/co-workers, in case of tax evasion or minimizing salary or etc.. my heart too fearful. But, when working in Govt. Sector, and the Govt. itself okay with it, then what's more to stand against the King? It's all his wish thought it is expressed as unethical he didn't backs. So, just have to obey his orders.
Like this, all situations, I am very fearful in decisions for Management, making money, so even self employment will meet loss..

Yeah . This is me. And so, I love to take orders and work as a slave. I love to be a slave, just to work whatever they say, so I don't have to fear about. If customer asks, I will say, "Sorry. I'm not officer/manager/deciding authority, I'm just a robo and obey orders. Please approach my senior and let him give me orders". I'm very much blissful in work where my mind is not used and that's enough for living - food,cloth and shelter.

Like that, as Govt. Clerk, I can work whatever work is given. Just to type the transactions, fill documents, more physical work. I like only physical work, but not this mental work in Kali Yuga sir. I'm not fit for making profit. And when time comes, after taking care of parents and brother, I retire to Himalayas/math/etc.. and that too if I feel I am fit.

Yesterday, I said to my Parents that, I quit speaking about this spirituality, and also quit CA. Let me write for Bank clerk or Govt. Clerk exams. This December 2021 is final attempt for Ca, and after that exam, I will start to study for those competitive exams. If I don't clear, no problem, I will go for daily wages nearby. They give around Rs. 7,000 minimum for a month. Also, I already stopped speaking about this spirituality as I'm not fit yet, and also hurt all at times.

Thank you all again sir.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Viswa

Yeah . This is me. And so, I love to take orders and work as a slave. I love to be a slave, just to work whatever they say, so I don't have to fear about.

Being slave is not bad especially of a powerful sovereign entity . So as I told you to be slave of God (the highest sovereign entity) expressed through scriptures which says to you to take charge of your own life , shed all negativities of youth age , engage in creative positive activities & be self sustaining . No gurus / scriptures will ever give step-by-step instruction to enable you spiritual and material progress you expect . Spirituality and materiality is for the stronger and not for the faint hearted (meaning seeker has to progressively become stronger if she/he is to benefit really from spirituality in this life also ) .Quitter are always at the mercy of others .
IF u see deities of any religion , they are very powerful and strong hearted.

Originally Posted by Viswa

Yesterday, I said to my Parents that, I quit speaking about this spirituality, and also quit CA. This December 2021 is final attempt for Ca, and after that exam,

With govts world over digitizing , tremendous corporate activity and complex of govt taxations and duties , CAs Chartered accountants as experts on audit, corporate law and taxations is very much challenging and accordingly it can give decent earnings as well . Along with this u can do CPA for USA which are conducted in India as well . I heard that one is relatively easier and has more job portability as well . So u can probably roam other countries also which i think u love to. Remember attempting higher aim again is better than aiming lower and quitting. With that you are spoiling your golden future for fewer moments of excitements/fun . You should invest your time rather waste on useless momentary pleasures .

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

momentary pleasures .

Thank you sir.

Sir, I very much respect your advice and your effort in making me a better person. But, I'm sorry, I am a coward, this is my nature, and so I run away from complex things, and lead a simple life, with/without momentary pleasures.

This is me, and running away or changing my coward-nature is a troublesome for both me and surroundings. I'm unfit to modern things/pleasures and so I fear of those high-medium managing respectful positions and I love to be a coward.

Nice in meeting you sir.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Viswa

This is me, and running away or changing my coward-nature is a troublesome for both me and surroundings.

You know yourself better than anybody and I value and respect your your judgement . All the best for your ongoing CA exams .