MAYA

I feel very much thankful to everyone in this forum for all their contributions. Not only in opening up and knock my head to come out of delusions, this forum also helps in many people in many ways. If you were not here, I don't know where I would have been dwelling. Yeah, I think so, (Edit - thinking myself as a useless slave unwillingly cuckolded/dominated/cheated by female/gf/wife with BBC/tranny/lesbian and watching those and spilling ......) That's where I was consuming time when I feel alone, running away from sufferings. But not now or anymore.

Maybe GOD himself witnessing the human’s sexual ecstasy and all the organisms acts, as being neglected his abode as useless, ignorant sons fall down from him and God’s powers become slaves to people’s desires, unwillingly leaving his sons, witnessing all these acts and fantasies as a cuckold present in all atoms? - LOL

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Uday_Advaita

Divine Hypnosis

Hahahaha, good one.

Thanks to this forum also people in some Krishnamurti forums. Till now, I couldn't know what happened really in one of Krishnamurti forums, to become very much obsessed about that forum and foundations and starting another forum. I lost many friendship and mentor, who are spiritual-seekers/pathless path, because of my past suspicious and rigid nature. I regret of what happened in past. It’s Death, somehow sooner or later, it will bring everything which started no matter what. It waited for a single sin to be made by a righteous king who followed Vaishesika dharma, and one day it happened when he sinned by eating unknowingly rice in Mokshada Vaikunta Ekadasi. No one can escape him by bonding in this world to whomever or whatever.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ2g3HSYK6E

Thanks for all the admins, moderators and members. Keep on in your path whatever it is. Enjoy the path. God is always in you, around you, with you and as you.

Originally Posted by Viswa

But not now or anymore.

I was wrong. I thought not anymore, but it's still present.

Maybe that's what my nature and the life I have to life, nothing can be done and move on.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Viswa

What to do about this? Why don't the body come in control? What kind of meditation monks do to get rid of this sensual addictions

Senses deceive big yogis and we are no exception . U can check story of Jaimini on speakingtree.in to prove this point . The reason is not that we are weaker . The reason is these subjects of senses are created by God and are inherently beautiful and majestic .So if one recognizes God's ingenuity in his creation , appreciates it and creator and even enjoys it in right manner(right time right place right person right situation in right measure ) following natural principles of justice and wherever possible sharing with others.

In order to enjoy greater , independent , sustainable long lasting deeper happiness it is important we dont get submerged in sensual happiness or become very indulgent. At the same time total suppression/abstinence also in way is not called for as one may possibly insult /disrespect God and His creations . So the key is moderation in sensual happiness . And that is what is the most difficult part .It is easy to fall either side .But very difficult to stay course straight . So just like flying /swimming you need to keep propelling air/water to stay afloat. And the key to it is practice. Howsoever great yogi/monk as illustrated in Jaimini's story , practice is the only thing which let them stay in moderation or control .

Begging in today's time is a bad word and stand more for a lazy person . Laziness is spiritual sin which damages none other than you and spirit within u. Alms which Shankaracharya was seeking was far different from begging in the sense that He was far active and moved to all 4 corners of India walking centuries ago when no modern means of transport was available. So I would strongly discourage begging as an option.

Hijab or purdah are prescribed in some religion probably for this reason . However I personally dont subscribe to it because it takes away females freedom to see/feel this wonderful world ( though I am for disciplined proper clothing for women ) and it does not address core problem of regulation of senses and puts disproportionately/excessively higher onus on women's shoulder for corruption in men's mind.

Further running away from civilization to forest/mountain or ashram also may not be good solution . Because the necessity / usefulness of all these controls/regulation is most in social/civic life than in forest/mountain/ashram life.

Here I mean sensual pleasures in a very broad sense ( even watching sunrise/sunset or having some delicious food also is sensual happiness) .
So here are some thumb rule guidelines scriptures recommend for seekers
1. Not to despise /criticize subject
2. Not to get submerged / drowned in it
3. Not to fear or run away from it
4. face it face to face without response
5. Consider ethical rules for enjoying it
6. Practices sharing wherever adequate / permissible under social/ethical norms (like sharing delicious food )
7.Elevate /sublimate the sensual pleasures like love to see the sunset/sun rise /lush green fields , to read /hear voice of a greater being , to see the photo / idol of a greater being etc.
8. Reduce /avoid period of physical/mental association with the subject
9. Appreciate the creator of the subject (of senses) and be grateful
10. Exercise discretion in favor of regulation.
11.Have some planned period calendar for sensual pleasures abstinence like fasting
12.Practice meditation

Practicing this over a long period would let u stay course.

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

Further running away from civilization to forest/mountain or ashram also may not be good solution . Because the necessity / usefulness of all these controls/regulation is most in social/civic life than in forest/mountain/ashram life..

Hi Hitesh. I’m very much thankful for your precious advice. I will try my best to appreciate Nature,Goddess,creation,etc.. which I never thought before. I am much lagging these 12 points in personal life and I will strive to improve them by residing in social life itself, and not become lazy.

Namaste

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Viswa

I am much lagging these 12 points in personal life and I will strive to improve them by residing in social life itself, and not become lazy.

Wish u all the best mahesh.

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

Wish u all the best mahesh.

Feel blessed for having contact with you all sir. Wish you the same.

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

Wish u all the best mahesh.

Sir, Greetings.

As you advised, I tried this one day what happens. It might be not practical to express opinion in just one day. But, I felt something different and it's quite astonishing. It also opened up something I'm blind to before.

When I followed this, something I come to know. I was actually separating "Maya from Brahman" as his appearances/forms/powers. I mixed up Duality and Non-duality, and found 'how a slow learner I am'.

First, there is "Neither existent nor non-existent", which is "Turiya"/Nirguna Brahman, beyond GOD, beyond "THE ONE". Then maya, which is "neither real nor unreal", "The ONE wakes up", the conscious of "I AM" comes into action and so I was very much envying senses and creations, to reach Nirguna Brahman or Turiya. It's all wrong. No one can reach Nirguna Brahman. One can reach only upto Sat-chit-Ananda or "THE ONE without the second", beyond that (Turiya) is only to be 'known' as 'unknowable', and not a reaching place as no one can reach himself.

What "duality" points as "THE ONE without second", "sat-chit-Ananda","Almighty God","Saguna Brahman", "Infinite" - is the thing one can reach "either perceiving as 'I am that'" or "Duality as devotion" or "savikalpa/nirvikalpa samadhi" or "doind not as a doer". One cannot reach beyond "THE ONE".

So, how it relates to kama,krodha,moga,etc.. is, "THE ONE is everything with Infinite forms". He is not different from powers, "He is this". This senses is he. This universe is he, as there is nothing second to him, even as his powers. We cannot differentiate "Him" from "his powers".

He is the one as Goddess. He is the one as the woman dwelling in drug-sex-addictions. He is the one as rapist. He is the one as child,teen,young,middle,old humans. He is the one as grass,organisms,animals,birds. He is the one as teen/MILF,lesbian/gay/straight/trans,producers,directors,big/small,large/petite,breast/holes. He is the one as a beautiful flying horses living in heavens, as well as the insects living in drainage. He is the one as Indra/Yama/Heaven/Hell/Earth. He is the one as senses,mind,intellect. He is the one as pleasure,pain,BLISS. He is the one as the heart in right and in left. He is the one as space,air,fire,water,land. He is the one as the body,atoms,non-living things. He is the one as water/alcohol, and as the mouth which drinks water as well as alcohol, and as the stomach and fire which digests, and as the excretionary organs, and also as the scat/urine.

He is the one, both in/out, both with/without - as well as "as". he is not different from everything. No opposites/duality in Him, as "Everything is He. He is the Universe".

Just a thought about this above in this whole day, make me befriend with senses, and worship him in all forms, including PUNK woman, both ethical and unethical. He is the Bliss in the heart, as well as the first hand experience of pleasure in Sex. I bow down to him seeing him as everything. He is the One without second. Thinking what is beyond him is unnecessary, but knowing that "Non-dual as non-dual as Shivam as Brahman as unknowable/non-perceivable - ME" is enough. Whether he is perceived as Sat-chit-Ananda, or he is perceived as 'nothing'/'emptiness', or whatever form it may be, He is every those forms, and one only attains him, in "THE Empyrean or Satya loka, as Sat-chit-ananda or Vaikunda or Kailasa or Linga or Kingdom of Heaven", and only after the whole pralaya happens, only when his "conscious of 'I AM" itself goes into sleep, then the Turiya (na sat - na asat, na prajna - na aprajna, cessation of all phenomenas, beyond) takes place. Until pralaya happens, everyone enlightened, even Buddha/Sankara - can only reside in the "Witness-Consciousness", but without their 'identification' of duality/witness-consciousness/'I AM', and if you do penance and think about them, they will appear before - like the sages/god appears. Their experience, their individual form, won't gets deleted until maha pralaya.

Duality present until one differentiate "Me from HIM", and that differentiation dies only in Practice, in enlightenment, and just knowledge is not at all enough for liberation. Even 4-headed Brahma has this knowledge, but he too gets to forget this. That knowledge has to become his life itself, and that is enlightenment.

Seeing him as everything, as in my heart as Bliss, as in woman/men/wine/etc.., until merging with him itself is necessary.

But, this all thinking happened only when you and other posts about 'opposite and separation', and my mentor who consistently said "Brahman is Universe too", had opened my eyes as I am a slow learner. This feel, the oneness with all, senses/pornstars/heaven/hell/beauty/ugly/etc. - is beyond bliss in Heart itself, the BLISS in everything. TO know this, I fighted with many, lost many, but feeling oneness inside my heart, and perceive the whole universe in it, because of you all.

Thank you so much, and I will keep on to this. And please also advice if I'm something wrong about.

[HITESH SHAH]

Hi Viswa ,

Here Lao Tzu quote comes to my mind.

“Watch your thoughts, they become your words; watch your words, they become your actions; watch your actions, they become your habits; watch your habits, they become your character; watch your character, it becomes your destiny.

While Non-duality experience is great , duality in this world too has lot to offer. Knowledge and insight into duality subjects can enrich your overall non-dual experiences . It's long journey and at times slippery and treacherous . So patience and perseverance is key . So with same zeal and zest u should learn and master worldly subjects as well . Without expertise in wordly subjects (which too are part of Brahman) your experiences may fall on the side of ignorance / foolishness / fraudulent. Not alleging anything on you per se but just offering a caveat what happens in this world . And you are very young and u have great potential . Yet right perspectives are very important in the early years of youth .