Mental health and spirituality.

[thisguyscott]

Originally Posted by Gemini46

Yeah I don't bring anything up involving a belief system. They will just pass them off as the illness or disorder & to engage in such a topic would be understood as validating our delusions. Even if the doctor or therapist personally believes in what you are bringing up they likely won't talk about it because of how that industry conditions their workers. If that makes any sense, lol.

I understand exactly what you are getting at though & I agree with the heart of it. I do look at my conditions as a great source of spiritual strength, & it is. BUT at the same time I have learned that it is important to be grounded in logic & more in my body. I have a strong connection to my intuitive/psychic side that is made possible due to the physical reasons behind my disorders. Like brain chemicals, wiring, how the psyche developed. Even though the last one might be more psychological than physical.

To be honest, I believe these Healthcare workers have good reason not to really engage any of their patients in anything like that. Alot of it has to due with who the individual is as a person, if that makes any sense. I have come across several people on this website with diagnosed schizophrenia and a few other similar disorders. Mostly Schizophrenics though. So yeah probably a good handful of people taking a spiritual approach to their disorders, using it as a strength too. But idk I feel the overall majority of the people are.....idk the right word..asleep maybe? Idk but ik you know what I am saying. Some people are just nasty people as it is and a lot are good. Just the same as people without mental disorders.

I just play their game. I respect the doctors for what they are I guess. They have dedicated their lives to a career in mental health so I try not to undermine them. But I have to use my best judgment first and foremost. I've luckily got paired up with a good psychiatrist earlier this year when my previous dr (he was alright, not great but ok) retired early due to the pandemic. Anyway I just give the facts and listen to what she has to say. I've basically just let her decide my medicines, but I've had myself basically in charge when it comes to one medicine because of the physical side effects.

That's just what I think. I have been on medicines for 3 years straight. I've learned i do need them, i do so much better. Right now, I feel they are beneficial. If I ever feel the need to get off of it, I will cross that road when I get there.

I like it here because there is more of an open minded view on mental health all in all. Plus there are others such as yourself to speak to regarding the spiritual side to it all.

I was on Zyprexa for a while. Made my blood sugar go through the roof. That is one of the problems with psychiatry in my opinion. Many of the people on the medications aren't even aware enough to know how the meds are effecting there body. Thus can't even make a conscious educated decision on how to proceed.

Unprocessed and unfelt emotions.

Remedy and face or keep on runnin'.

[thisguyscott]

Originally Posted by ant

Unprocessed and unfelt emotions.

Remedy and face or keep on runnin'.

Been trying for 20 year to remedy haven't figured it out. Perhaps you have some wise words of guidance. Or a process that might bring all these unprocessed and unfelt emotions to light so I can figure out how to Remedy them?

[John32241]

Originally Posted by thisguyscott

I guess that would be the real thing I am looking for where magic is concerned. Moving past my blocks. Not entirely sure they are self imposed though. If they are in fact self imposed then it must be something very deep in my psych that I have yet to understand and change on a conscious level.

Hi,

We all have beliefs deep in our psych which were put their by our immediate environment and the society we grew up in. If you are told by the authorities in your life that magic is not real then those become your beliefs.

Evolving that belief requires effort. Your desire and energetic intent must be established. Some find it best to study information like that on the law of attraction. Others like the more personal approach involving self talk with their inner most divinity. You can also do both. Both is what I would suggest.

The proof magic is real will come through personal experiences. When you can feel the presence of divine loving guidance then you have begun your self discovery journey.

John

[thisguyscott]

Originally Posted by John32241

Hi,

We all have beliefs deep in our psych which were put their by our immediate environment and the society we grew up in. If you are told by the authorities in your life that magic is not real then those become your beliefs.

Evolving that belief requires effort. Your desire and energetic intent must be established. Some find it best to study information like that on the law of attraction. Others like the more personal approach involving self talk with their inner most divinity. You can also do both. Both is what I would suggest.

The proof magic is real will come through personal experiences. When you can feel the presence of divine loving guidance then you have begun your self discovery journey.

John

True. I am very intellectually aware of many of my inner limiting beliefs. But I still find blockages for certain things that I have been unable to overcome. And these are not consciously associated with a belief system per say.

To explain it farther. This would be a type of example. Say I want to do the dishes in the sink. I know intellectually I want to clean the dishes. But I just don't do it. I put it on my to do list but it still doesn't get done. There are many parts of my life like this. So how would one associate that with a belief system and rectify it. I know I can do the dishes as I have many times before. So the belief is not limited in that sense. Anyway basically I know what I have to do. But things are stifled.

It does not seem to be as simple as giving it my focus. Because my focus is on it and aware of it. The problem is getting myself to take action. It's like someone buys a gym pass with full intent on using it but stops after a week. Now I have heard people say. You just don't want it bad enough. If it is just as simple as desire. Then why do most of us not accomplish our goals. So what exactly is the limiting factor?

Originally Posted by thisguyscott

True. I am very intellectually aware of many of my inner limiting beliefs. But I still find blockages for certain things that I have been unable to overcome. And these are not consciously associated with a belief system per say.

To explain it farther. This would be a type of example. Say I want to do the dishes in the sink. I know intellectually I want to clean the dishes. But I just don't do it. I put it on my to do list but it still doesn't get done. There are many parts of my life like this. So how would one associate that with a belief system and rectify it. I know I can do the dishes as I have many times before. So the belief is not limited in that sense. Anyway basically I know what I have to do. But things are stifled.

It does not seem to be as simple as giving it my focus. Because my focus is on it and aware of it. The problem is getting myself to take action. It's like someone buys a gym pass with full intent on using it but stops after a week. Now I have heard people say. You just don't want it bad enough. If it is just as simple as desire. Then why do most of us not accomplish our goals. So what exactly is the limiting factor?

Your encountering resistance.

If you don't want to do the dishes,

Tis the Ego,the Ego resists,


Use the resistance to see the Ego at play and focus your attention on dismantling the false mask.


~Ego dissolution,emotional clearing,losing attachments,false programming and belief systems.

Let go,stop clinging on and push through the mud.

[John32241]

Originally Posted by thisguyscott

It does not seem to be as simple as giving it my focus. Because my focus is on it and aware of it. The problem is getting myself to take action. It's like someone buys a gym pass with full intent on using it but stops after a week. Now I have heard people say. You just don't want it bad enough. If it is just as simple as desire. Then why do most of us not accomplish our goals. So what exactly is the limiting factor?

Hi,

The limiting factor is our thought patterns which are like bad habits. Our personal creative force, our inner child, resonates with that energy. It does not know about good and bad thoughts. It has no judgement on our thinking. So it creates what we think we deserve.

If you believe you should be punished for some thing your inner child will make that happen. The key to well being is your outlook on life specifically how you think.

John

[Gem]

Originally Posted by thisguyscott

I know all the doctors I have seen in the past have all told me there is no such thing as magick and such. But sometimes I wonder if mental health issues aren't just a strong lingering curse. I mean psychiatry is sort subjective to the accepted reality. And like I said all the doctors I have talked to don't believe Magick is real. Or at least that is what they say. So how does science bridge that gap. If science can't validate the unseen world they can never accept it as a reality. And never really deal with the underlying problems with mental health. That is of course if mental health issues are caused by something other than just a chemical imbalance in the brain.

Psychiatry aligns itself with medicine, but has very little scientific basis in the way that medicine does. The disorder categories of the DSM are basically invented, and the diagnostic criteria is voted on. This is entirely unscientific.

Science is when you can repeat an experiment and explain it with maths.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Gem

Psychiatry aligns itself with medicine, but has very little scientific basis in the way that medicine does. The disorder categories of the DSM are basically invented, and the diagnostic criteria is voted on. This is entirely unscientific.

It's not really a science. Science is when you can repeat an experiment and explain it with maths.

That may be your (uniformed) opinion ...

I definitely disagree, but in so many ways that I found both difficult and futile to give a longer reply. Psychiatry is a medical science.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by inavalan

That may be your (uniformed) opinion ...

I definitely disagree, but in so many ways that I found both difficult and futile to give a longer reply. Psychiatry is a medical science.

It's basically an arbitrary expansion of diagnostic categories, the symptoms of which are voted on by the DSM committee, and I recall in maybe 2013 or so the DSM chair saying that there are no physical markers for almost all of the categories defined in the DSM.