The resurrection

[sky]

Originally Posted by zastrakoza

There is a strong undercurrent in this thread indicating that most of us believe there is a difference between us and God.
This is an idea of separation that permeates human thinking at many levels. It is very disempowering and inaccurate, imo.

I believe Jesus addressed this when He said ' My Father and I are one '
The mind cause this separation, we become what we think... imo.

[Molearner]

Originally Posted by sky

I believe Jesus addressed this when He said ' My Father and I are one '
The mind cause this separation, we become what we think... imo.

Sky,

Yes to the first sentence. Classically the ego, rather than the mind, causes the separation IMO.

Psalm 82:6-8…….”I said, ‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High. But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler.” Rise up , O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.”

OK, we can understand that we are all sons of God being made in His image and likeness. We should be inheritors….so what is the problem ? For me it is the failure to accept our inheritance. If we are entitled to this we, before anything else, accept our power to judge….most specifically to judge ourselves and no one else. Matthew 7:5,,,get rid of the plank in your own eye…..

Inheritance ? Matthew 5:5…”Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.” It is the meek…the humble….that are first in line for inheritance. Ephesians 2:5-11 presents Christ as the model for humility. We must be humble, obedient and ‘take the nature of a servant’.

Ascension is not a power grab for side benefits but it is more a granting of power to accomplish responsibilities……chief among them to allow love to flow……😊

[sky]

Originally Posted by Molearner

Sky,
Yes to the first sentence. Classically the ego, rather than the mind, causes the separation IMO.

And where does 'Ego' come from if not from the mind...

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Molearner

FallingLeaves,

You can see what others look like when they’re not as good as you ? And, of course, those at a higher level look at you and actually wish for your ascension. That involves a higher state that begins to let go of a judge mental mindset…..

if you say so.

The truth though is more difficult for you... first I don't think I'm a very good person, second I don't care to have others be like me as they just ruin my day, and third unlike the rest of you I don't care to ascend.

I'm also not sure why I'm even responding to such blatant misrepresentations of who I am, might be better just to let you think what you want after all. Not my problem after all if others are too busy looking at what it is normal for people to do and judging others along those lines, than to be able to see what is in front of them. But I've decided to leave it for now anyway...

[Maisy]

"My Father and I are one "

From todays internet searches now I think Jesus never used the Greek word Abba (which means Father) and was instead using the Aramaic word Abun which would have been in the original text sources and Aramaic was the language Jesus spoke. The Greeks changed the word Aramaic Abun to the Greek word Abba. Abun means Spirit of Light, Birther of the Cosmos. I think Jesus did not ever refer to God as one Gender.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Maisy

"My Father and I are one "
From todays internet searches now I think Jesus never used the Greek word Abba (which means Father) and was instead using the Aramaic word Abun which would have been in the I think Jesus did not ever refer to God as one Gender.

But Abun is Father in Aramaic....

[Miss Hepburn]

''The Aramaic word "Abba" (אבא), meaning "Father" is used by Jesus in Mark 14:36 and
also appears in Romans 8:15 and Galatians 4:6.''

This latest info whether Jesus said Father is confusing for me.

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by sky

But Abun is Father in Aramaic....

I'm no expert in anything I just search around the internet when something intrigues me. Most English people and those Greeks who translated the bible scrolls from the original Aramaic into Greek or English clearly thought Abun could mean Father and you can find web sites with them saying so.

But you can also find web sites that state Aramaic scholars define "Abun" as Spirit of Light, Birther of the Cosmos. I also found a lot of internet references that defined "Abun" as "Father, Mother, Spirit Birther of the Universe." One web site said the word's meaning has always has contained the masculine and feminine as the source of creation.

Here a quote from that source: The Lord’s prayer begins with “Our Father,” a translation using the Greek word, “abba.” But the actual Aramaic transliteration is (Abun) “Abwoon” which is a blending of “abba (father)” and “woon” (womb or mother), Jesus’s recognition of the masculine and feminine source of creation.

They also said "Aramaic is very different from the other languages. It's much more symbolic and spiritual and mystical." So if somebody is translating a word with a deep rich multiple meanings like "Abun" in one Greek or English word representing one thing, a lot will be lost in translation. Greek and English have no word for a creator of the universe that has aspects of the masculine and feminine but Aramaic does.

Personally my Father was very abusive so I don't relate to that word "Father" in any positive way. My experience with a Father figure was not positive in any way. I myself don't apply a gender to God. Jesus was male when human, but as a spirit I think is genderless. Another way to think of "genderless" is being both male and female. Being fluid with aspects of both. Some souls identify as a gender because they are identifying with the temporary body I think. Also in mythology, "spirits" or "angels" are given masculine or feminine names which leads to the assumption body gender continues into the spirit existence. I don't think it does.

[Molearner]

For those that believe that God is both immanent and transcendent it implies that we cannot know God fully(being transcendent). If we get embroiled in gender beliefs then some might question(logically) if women are made in the image of God. There is actually some subtle acceptance of this within the church at large….notice the churches that do not allow women to be priests or ministers. They will ardently defend this aberration….don’t hold your hopes for some universal change addressing this….

I allow myself to think of ‘Creator God’ rather than a gender ascribed God. I am comfortable with many things that our modern sensibilities deem archaic….for example: mankind vs humankind. Is it really worth the effort to seek to separate ourselves from others for these specifics ?

[KnowwhatLies]

Originally Posted by Mora321

The Lord received only a small group as his inheritance.

I would not like that to happen to us.

2 errors.
1. Using a title;lord instead of the one name by which he introduced himself, Yahuah(yhwh). As in the most ancient records there is of the bible.
2. Claiming to receive when it was Yahuah who chose. We are speaking of the one who made all life possible, referred at the most high(Daniel 4:17) and there is no higher or equal to him(Isaiah 45:5-7). And its in his power to make them the most numerous as the stars, which can explain why African people are the most numerous.