Dis-Respectful Non-Vegans - You Don't Belong Here

Flexi-Girl:

My apologies for populating your thread too much with extraneous matters. You articulated yourself so well - let me know if I can be of assistance and let's see how things develop

Well wishes

JL

[Flexi-Girl]

I agree with Janielee. This vegetarian/vegan forum is not the place to argue for behaviors most of us consider unethical. It's disrespectful and has no place here.

It is unethical. To slaughter animals, keep them in the most inhumane conditions. Force feed them. Give them ****.

Especially when humans don't need to eat animals, and especially as many as we all do. Even medical doctors, scientists and Governments extol the virtues of less meat, encouraging people to gradually reduce their intake because it is such a long ingrained habit.

A long ingrained habit though does not mean it is "natural". At one point, people committed incest, they raped women and pillaged villages. There is nothing natural about harm. And the point of evolution and progress is to see that and live it.

Most of the arguments from certain posters are not only disrespectful, they are preposterous, gaslighting and propaganda ("anything that doesn't agree with me is a lie and any authority which doesn't agree with me has an agenda and is driven by {insert conspiracy theory}")

Modern day farming practices and the food chain IS inhumane and anyone who can't see that has no light in their heart.

JL

Sometimes I wish the media would cover more on the inhumane treatment of animals, but I assume there are strong corporate interests behind these industries. It is sad, to say the least.

Originally Posted by Altair

Writing it in big red letters makes no difference. Just makes you look desperate.

We humans are more complex and have a wider range of feelings than chickens. Yup. ^^

Doesn't make me treat chickens poorly by any stretch. I've had them around growing up, taking care of them.

And you?? Share with us your experiences with vegetarianism/veganism.

I apologize if I was rude to you - at the same time, I will say your challenge of most things I find to be disingenuous.

Without knowing the words, you attack the religion (Buddhism) ad nauseum. Basic pointers to learn are ignored, and you go on again and again without even understanding what you are talking about.

Without respecting that people who choose to not eat meat for ethical reasons do so for ethical reasons - and then surmounting all types of offence. Including disregarding any and all points to the contrary.

It's certainly silly, in my books, but whatever rocks your boat, Altair.

BTW your point about chickens and their needs was quite insensitive, IMO, when Debrah was talking about chickens being cooped up in small places and cows and others treated inhumanely. Unless you have the sensitivity to talk to birds and avian species, don't feel like you can relate to them either or talk for them, because I would wager you are not the most sensitive person at this point in time...

Finally, in light of the initial post, I would say it's not really welcomed - just like someone preaching to a dog lover that killing dogs is the right thing to do.

Sometimes you just have to let go and find some compassion and respect.

Again, I meant no offence to you personally but do find your approaches ... not even worth engaging with and disharmonious to boot.

JL

[inavalan]

Very active thread ...

We see this lack of respect in all the walks of life. What's ridiculous is that each one of us believes to be right, and feels entitled to respect, without extending the same to all the others.

I don't see a solution. I don't see an end to this situation.

[BlueElephant]

Originally Posted by inavalan

Very active thread ...

We see this lack of respect in all the walks of life. What's ridiculous is that each one of us believes to be right, and feels entitled to respect, without extending the same to all the others.

I don't see a solution. I don't see an end to this situation.

Correct... all we can do is be the best we can and set an example. A one-by-one solution - which will not end the situation itself, but bring health and happiness to the ones who practice respect, kindness and compassion to others (and self). and spread a little here and there in the world.

[Ciona]

I remember someone who started a thread in Strong Opinions arguing against the twin flame theory, there he had the space to say anything and everything he wished as regards and against that subject. Those who chose to challenge him did so voluntarily and he also had the benefit of analysis and discussion with those who agreed with him. That is what that space is actually for.

At least he had the respect to take it there and not disturb those exploring or living out the twin flame theory in their own forum. I appreciated him and had respect for him.

I agree this forum is not the place to argue for behaviors. It belongs in Strong Opinions. There is a difference between offering questioning or exploration as regards a particular topic and arguing for/against. A big difference.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by BlueElephant

Correct... all we can do is be the best we can and set an example. A one-by-one solution - which will not end the situation itself, but bring health and happiness to the ones who practice respect, kindness and compassion to others (and self). and spread a little here and there in the world.

Why do you think that "compassion" is appropriate here? It suggests an attitude of righteousness, superiority which is neither justified, nor productive.

[BlueElephant]

Originally Posted by inavalan

Why do you think that "compassion" is appropriate here? It suggests an attitude of righteousness, superiority which is neither justified, nor productive.

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Compassion is a way to understand things and people. Compassion I think causes equality towards and between people and can bring a bridge to a deeper understanding. Compassion says I have been there - suffering and then projecting that suffering onto to situations and people, etc.

I think it allows for an amount of acceptance on a human level, although not condoning negative hurtful actions.

Many times having or holding compassion is for the giver, not always for the receiver. It allows for transformation - this is my experience.