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Old 17-08-2021, 12:23 PM
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...So, how does the Mirage/Maya give Happiness?
Does the pleasure I derive from persons/things/words/etc.. - Is it true Happiness? or an Ignorance of 'believing' it as a Happiness?
Ah, a follow up question.

Happiness is happiness---pure and simple.
If it is brought on by the imagination, a dream, a movie on a screen, or an ice cream cone...makes no difference.
Joy from within comes from 'nothing', has no reason ---It is the nature of the Supreme Being, by any name.
(It also manifests as love, ecstasy or bliss, wisdom, knowledge, beauty, confidence, power, peace... satchitanand.)
I say hitch your wagon to something that is forever, always was and always will be, never-ending...what is real.
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Old 17-08-2021, 12:24 PM
Viswa
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Order means an orderly or harmonious physical and nonphysical universe. Order is oneness/wholeness, balance, peace and harmony.

First - what do you mean by Non-physical Universe?

Sir, what's the purpose of Creation of this Physical Universe, if there is a non-physical Universe?

Why this physical world is created or formed, expands, contracts,destroys - if there is a non-physical universe?

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Brahman is order while maya is disorder/chaos. Imbalanced thoughts create maya/disorder/chaos.

So, you say that "Only Imbalanced Thoughts" is Maya.
If I say, Thoughts itself an Ignorance/Maya - what's your response then sir?

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Maya/disorder/chaos is the result or effect of the physical human (brain) evolving over thousands or millions of years for survival.

If I say, the Living Beings and Maya goes hand-in-hand - and we cannot say which came first (The whole world the born baby see is itself a Maya and only bcz of it's birth - it sees the Maya), what's your reply?

I feel that, only bcz of our "DESIRES" (Some may call "PLAY or LILA") - we are born and entangled to this pleasures,sufferings (a loop). Not, after birth, I get caught in dis-order. The world one perceives at the time of birth/creation (i.e. even when the first organism or an Ape or first Human) itself a 'MAYA'. What is your view?
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Old 17-08-2021, 12:30 PM
Viswa
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I say hitch your wagon to something that is forever, always was and always will be, never-ending...what is real.

Superb. Well said.

Okay, continuing the inquiry, If i say "When I enjoy the Unreality/Maya - one moves away from Reality and If I start to feel the Beauty of Unreality and Expressing it - one forgets the Actuality and unconsciously fall to the Loop", what's your view?

The movement in "tasting" or sensing anything, is a limited unreal Happiness. I won't say it is not happiness. But it is Unreal, and only my desire towards it creates a happiness on that, and happiness ends when that event ends. If I derive happiness from that limited movement, it means I move away from Unlimited Inner Happiness. Isn't it?

If I say, "one can derive only one happiness at one moment, i.e. If one seeks outside, he fails inside, If one is satisfied of 'THAT', he don't seek out. Only one thing at one moment, either 'this/outside/Maya/Unreal' or 'that/Unlimited/everlasting', and it cannot be both.", what's your reply to that?
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Old 17-08-2021, 12:39 PM
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Sir, shall we speak about the Ignorance? (bcz I feel the EGO/false self/Ignorance - everything points the same).
Sir, what you see in a "Mirror" is Real or Unreal?
What is real or not is decided by the ego, what is Brahman or what is not Brahman is decided by the ego. If you think you are real then your ego is real.

There is nothing that is not real, there is nothing that is not Brahman, and even ignorance is Brahman.
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Old 17-08-2021, 12:45 PM
Viswa
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What is real or not is decided by the ego, what is Brahman or what is not Brahman is decided by the ego. If you think you are real then your ego is real.

There is nothing that is not real, there is nothing that is not Brahman, and even ignorance is Brahman.
Sir, Is it so? The decision/thought itself a temporary thing or Ignorance or Maya.

Sir, Tiger can think, itself as a cat. And as per it's thought, it feels/appears so. But this thought is what "Ignorance". The manifestations are not actuality. It manifests because "I want/think it to be" - so it is. And I assume the Manifestations as "reality". But, it is not.

To see what I am - one has to put aside/negate whatever one think is. If I think, world is Brahman too, it's not. It's a trick of thought.

If I say, "Whatever is non-permanent is not real", what's your view?
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Old 17-08-2021, 12:49 PM
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Here's a Buddhist perspective. https://tricycle.org/trikedaily/denial-of-dukkha/

But when the nature of my illness—the quiet desperation of the isolated, individual self, striving to be happy—is unearthed, brought into the light of awareness and clearly seen for what it is, then this very seeing becomes the cure.

What is seen is unending turmoil. What is not seen is the seeing itself, a limitless, empty space, always and everywhere at rest.


Maya is what is seen and Brahman or the Absolute is the seeing Itself. Whatever is seen (Maya) is but a transient appearance of and within the seeing Itself (Brahman, the Absolute).

In Advaita one method of discernment is Seer and seen. The Seer can never see Itself but by the very fact of Seeing the seen It is Self-revealing. It's that limitless, empty space, always and everywhere at rest. On the surface we say we are conscious but at the deepest level we are Consciousness Itself, the limitless space, always and everywhere at rest, within and of which apparent reality arises, lingers and subsides.
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Old 17-08-2021, 01:01 PM
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... If I start to feel the Beauty of Unreality and Expressing it - one forgets the Actuality and
unconsciously fall to the Loop", what's your view?
It takes practice to place the needle back into the groove.
It takes vigilance to not forget all that you see is unreal and behind the facade is the One.
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..only one happiness at one moment... 'this/outside/Maya/Unreal' or 'that/Unlimited/everlasting', and it cannot be both.",
what's your reply to that?
That is incorrect.
I have had a glass of orange juice looking at the Sun sensing a-l-l comes from God...the soil for the orange trees, the nutrition from the Sun ...all within the Creator, because of the Creator...
the juice is Him, my lips and stomach and my enjoyment are ALL 'Him'...
why, right at this moment my breakfast
is being digested by HIM!!!
Very fulfilling stuff.
The focus of the mind on Truth, Reality is a practice that becomes easier --once the brain gets used to that being it's natural state ...ie, being aware of the Divine Presence...it is like tuning a radio dial...dialing into What Is Really Going On...after awhile you don't
have to look at the dial you shift it and know the Frequency instantly ..
like placing the needle into the groove of a record. Ahhh, home.
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Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru
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Old 17-08-2021, 01:05 PM
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Maya is what is seen and Brahman or the Absolute is the seeing Itself.

Great words. Good interpretation sir.
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Old 17-08-2021, 01:05 PM
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In Advaita one method of discernment is Seer and seen. The Seer can never see Itself but by the very fact of Seeing the seen It is Self-revealing.

So, Am I willing to see/feel the seeing/consciousness itself? or I am okay with the Maya/what is seen?. If I am okay with "what is seen", then it is Unending turmoil. Just Dukkha. If I am willing to feel the Consciousness itself, then I have to psychologically die to clinging/attachment to "what is seen".

Do their teachings have to go in vain (Just intellectual) or change/bring some revolution within me?

Note - this reply is a general. If you too are not interested in "what is seen/Maya" and only feel "the Consciousness itself" - please ignore this reply.
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Old 17-08-2021, 01:14 PM
Viswa
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It takes practice to place the needle back into the groove.

Had you seen an instance where "Buddha/Sankaracharya/Ramana/etc.." had said "Sip the tea and enjoy the moment - in the name of Him"?. Even in devotion, they do starve in temples, and think about HIM and sing about HIS glories and not sing about "Coffee/anything". Isn't it?

What if you are caught in an illusion that "We can enjoy the illusion in the name of HIM"?, If not, You are truly great. I'm sorry to put the above questions. Please ignore if it's so personal.

What's the purpose of Sanyasa then? Useless? Then why do they preached them if it is useless? (It's not a pointing, but I'm curious to know why they preach those)
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