Living the Dream ... Or Not?

Originally Posted by God-Like

As said on the other thread, this doesn't facilitate the environment for the unconscious to become conscious .

You asked for a definition of what a dream is and you got one. If you interpret your dreams and become conscious of them, in that sense you make the unconscious conscious. That's how dream interpretations work. If you choose to define a dream as something that you simply dismiss then you won't be conscious of your unconscious. Dreams are only a small part of what's going on, but a significant part nonetheless.

Originally Posted by God-Like

The waking world / earth plane is the platform for one to become conscious of the unconscious .

Yes it is.

Originally Posted by God-Like

If what you are is a dream character then the dream character isn't something that can become conscious of the unconscious .

Do you think you're conscious?

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You have to be something that can facilitate that process .

That would be you.

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So basically you need primarily to have an environment that facilities a dream

It originates in the unconscious, so your skull is the environment

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and then you have to have someone - thing that can become conscious of the unconscious

That would be your Jungian ego.

Originally Posted by God-Like

(even though one doesn't sleep) .

Some part of you sleeps, otherwise your head would collapse and since you dream your unconscious doesn't sleep. However, you're not conscious of having slept those eight hours, the only thing that you might be conscious of is that you had a dream - or that you wake up exhausted because your dream was an action-packed adventure. You should try one of those then come back and explain to me why, after having had very 'physical' dreams I wake up knackered.

Originally Posted by God-Like

Yes this is the case .. what is permanent and unchanging is regarded as what is real whereas what isn't permanent and unchanging isn't ..

Then nothing you perceive yourself as is 'real' because your perceptions of who and what you are change over the course of your Lifetime at least. If you wake up with a stinking flu, a headful of snot and you feel vulnerable then your perceptions have changed.

What is not real is deciding what is real or not, what is not real is deciding what is a dream or not.

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

You asked for a definition of what a dream is and you got one. If you interpret your dreams and become conscious of them, in that sense you make the unconscious conscious.

You didn't address the quote . As said, this doesn't facilitate the environment for the unconscious to become conscious .

Your definition doesn't facilitate one to be conscious of the unconscious .

All you're doing is speaking about the one that can be conscious of the unconscious.

The world environment has to facilitate a dream, be of the dream etc ..

So how does the world fit into your definition of the dream .

So far it doesn't enter the equation .


x daz x

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

Yes it is.

So what's your answer? How can the world be the environment . You yourself said the perceiver is the perceived, so the human is no different from the earth, and yet the human becomes conscious of the conscious (as your definition).

So how is the earth becoming conscious of the unconscious in relation to what you are saying about the dream?


x daz x

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

That would be you.

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But the You or the sense of I AM is the dream .

This is why it makes no sense .

You can't have a dream being the facilitator when the you is the dream .

You can't keep merging these terms together that's why it gets messy, same goes when one minute you personalise I AM and then the next you refer it to the dream itself .


x daz x

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

Then nothing you perceive yourself as is 'real' because your perceptions of who and what you are change over the course of your Lifetime at least. If you wake up with a stinking flu, a headful of snot and you feel vulnerable then your perceptions have changed.

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If you believe that what is for ever changing and isn't permanent that reflects the unreal then so be it, but it isn't what I believe .

x daz x

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

Some part of you sleeps, otherwise your head would collapse and since you dream your unconscious doesn't sleep. However, you're not conscious of having slept those eight hours, the only thing that you might be conscious of is that you had a dream - or that you wake up exhausted because your dream was an action-packed adventure.

What you are is conscious of the dream . There is no separate self that is unconscious or asleep .

When you are aware of the dream, you are aware of the dream . You are not asleep are you .

How can you be aware of the dream and be asleep?

Who is watching the images?


x daz x

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

It originates in the unconscious, so your skull is the environment

And what is the environment for the skull?

What facilitates your human experience that can speak about dreams and ego?

You see you're missing the vital piece of the jigsaw here .

The environment that facilitates the experience .

It's not separate from you .

This is why I have said the dream cannot simply just mean the unconscious becoming conscious when the environment is cut from the same cloth .

You haven't answered this aspect because it puts a spanner in the works regarding your definition .

The earth plane is the dream just as much as I AM is the dream and yet you don't explain how the dream that is the earth can be conscious of the unconscious in relation to what you say .


x daz x

Originally Posted by God-Like

You didn't address the quote . As said, this doesn't facilitate the environment for the unconscious to become conscious .

Yes I did, that was in reply to the OP -

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What is a dream and how does one even know of a dream?

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What is a dream and how does one even know of a dream?Your definition doesn't facilitate one to be conscious of the unconscious .

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What is a dream and how does one even know of a dream?All you're doing is speaking about the one that can be conscious of the unconscious.

That's what a dream is all about.

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The world environment has to facilitate a dream, be of the dream etc ..

Yes it does, via our perceptions.

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So how does the world fit into your definition of the dream .

In this context, what kind of dream are you talking about? I've been talking about what we dream of when we are asleep.

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So far it doesn't enter the equation .

The world fits into everybody's perceptual reality and that is where dreams originate.

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

In this context, what kind of dream are you talking about? I've been talking about what we dream of when we are asleep.

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I am using your definition and in the same context as everything else that is the dream .


x daz x

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

Yes it does, via our perceptions.

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You're perceptions do not relate to the earth plane as a dream in itself .

The earth plane is not separate from you . The earth is a conscious being . So for the earth to be a dream environment it is also the dream itself, just as I AM is the dream in your words .

Your definition is the unconscious becoming conscious, so how does that fit in with the earth .

How does the earth become conscious of the unconscious you, in regards to what you say about dreams .


x daz x