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Old 04-08-2022, 04:20 PM
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Post Evidence on the Quran and Sahih Hadith (1).

Evidence on the Quran and Sahih Hadith (1).

Hi All,

The purpose of this thread - and some others - would be to share some researches about the Holy Qur’an and the Hadith (sayings) of the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ).

If the Bibles are not anymore seeing as reliable writings, referring to the 5.000+ manuscrits found with not even one of them being the same of an other, including the Sinaïtaicus and the Vaticanus Codex, the cuttings during the 17th century, there are still affirmations that the Holy Qu’ran never changed from the revelation to the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) until our days.

It would by unpalatable to share all the examples existing to show that supposed allegation of the transformations of the Holy Quran, and creation of false Hadith, when one would be sufficient.
So, here just some examples that I am going to discuss little by little, in other Threads :


- Omar and the verses of stoning (Sahih Muslim 1690/1691 and Mouwataa al-Imam Malik).
- Aïcha and a different verse-ayat (Sahih Muslim 629).
- Omar coping the Jews’s false hadiths (Michkat al Massabih).
- Anas testimony 70 years after the death of Muhammad (ﷺ).
- Abu Hurayra confess to have invented an hadith (Sahih Bukhari p. 2048).
- Abu Hurayra and Omar interdiction (Tarikh Madinat Dimachk (Story of Damas)).
- The Qassassine (or storytellers) in Siyar Aalaam al-Noubala’a.
- the Dajjal story (Sahih Muslim pp. 1346, 1347 and 1348).
- Changing the Sunnah (Al Silsila al-Sahiha).
- The creation of the Tarawih by Omar (Sahih Bukhari p. 707).
- The prophet (ﷺ) and witchcraft (Sahih Bukhari p. 2175).
- Omar the new prophet (Jami’a al-Thirmidi).
- The Sunnah Overwrites the Book of Allah (Sunnan al-Darami p. 204).
- a hadith for 1000 dinars (Al-Mouhalaa Volume 11, page 413).
- The Qur’an and the revelation of Allah about Muhammad’s wives (ﷺ) (Qur’an).
- The 2500 errors of spelling, syntax and grammar in the Holy Quran.
- The Sanaa manuscrit.


Hadiths 1452 of Sahih Muslim :
«*‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims).*»

A well known Hadith.
Sahih Muslim is a collection of hadith compiled by Imam Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj al-Naysaburi (rahimahullah). His collection is considered one of the most authentic collections of hadith in the Sunnah of the Prophet (ﷺ), and together with Sahih al-Bukhari they form the "Sahihain," or the "Two Sahih." It contains about 7500 hadith (with repetitions) in 57 books.

Aisha is the wife of the prophet (ﷺ) and the daughter of the first caliph Abu Bakr.

This verse-ayat about Breastfeeding can not be found in the modern Qur’an.

In Sunnan Ibn Maja by Ibn Majah, Volume 1, pp. 625 and 626 (Hadith 1944) :
«*…according to Aisha who said :
The verses about stoning and nursing the adult ten times have been revealed. They were in a document under my bed. When the prophet died and we dealt with his death, a pet* came in and ate them.*»

*The word used in Arabic is “dajjin”. Which the dictionary defines as “Poultry or other domesticated animal”.


If you ask any Muslim if the Quran is complete, he will answer you ‘yes’ and that it is protected directly by Allah against any falsification. This dogma is very firmly rooted in Muslim society.

Yet the strongest books of Islam are affirmative : verses were lost after the Prophet's death and no longer exist in current editions of the Quran.
Even in the 5 contemporary more printed Qur’an ; because there are the Hafs’an Aasim (95 percent of printing, more common), the Warsh ’aa Naafi (3 percent), the Qaloon ‘aa Naafi 0.7 percent, the Door ‘aa Aboo Amr 0.3 percent, and the Qur’an Ibn Aamir 1 percent.

Here Ibn Majah announces it clearly by this hadith : a beast ate verses.

Ibn Majah is not just anyone. His book is one of the Six Pillars of Sunnism. In Imam Malik, one of the pillars too, there is the same affirmation : the verse existed in the original Quran.

This story is of course full of contradictions. Knowing that at the time the Koran was mainly transmitted orally by people who had learned it by heart, how to explain that the destruction of a physical medium actually destroys these verses ? If people knew them by heart and recited them as Omar testifies in the Mouataa of Malik, why didn't they just copy them ?

We learn in passing that the Koran also included adult breastfeeding. That is to say that the woman, to avoid concupiscence, had to unfasten her bodice and show her breasts to the men who visited her. They had to suck her breasts so as not to have ulterior motives.

So, or the Sahih Muslim is not Sahih-authentic and never was. Not talking even about the Hadiths of Ibn Majah and Imam Malik.
Or A’isha was lying.
Or the Qur’an has been modified.

Evidence.

Best regards,
R.

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Old 18-04-2023, 07:06 PM
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Are you not aware of how many different scrolls their are of various parts of the Quran? And that they contain differences ? literally every scholar across the board agree that it is a in incoherent thing to claim that the Quran has been perfectly preserved and only people that believe in Islam believe such a crazy claim , it is literally not taken seriously by any scholarship outside of Islam because it doesn't jive with reality at all
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Old 19-04-2023, 03:42 PM
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The Qur’an is the only book that is subject to scientific tests and proven correct by scholars


The Holy Qur’an speaks only about scientific facts not myths so the researcher must know that the discovered scientific fact which is a miracle in Qur’an or Sunnah should not be known when Qur’an was descended. On the other hand we have to know that there are many known facts in Qur’an from past times like benefits of honey which is a known fact from thousands of years, but He Almighty included this fact in the Holy book of Qur’an as a proof that this book includes only right facts because people during years of civilizations used to mix facts with myths and legends. Therefore if Qur’an is a human made, we might find mixes of right and wrong facts inside it.





new discoveries have confirmed that some parts of ancient Greek sciences are not scientifically true while none of the scientific sayings of the Qur’an has been denied by significant and true scientific discoveries. (I mean that scientific sayings of the Qur’an do not contradict the true scientific findings)




God has given to the scholars a great role in all times so that mankind will have discoveries and efforts to find out the secrets of the universe that God created
and so that human has a role in life.

Thus, he discovers the secrets of the universe and searches for those behind it
And when he knows that God is the creator of everything, he believes in God

As a Muslim, I do not care about scientific miracles because I believe in the One God and His Messenger as a true Prophet

But non-Muslims and non-Muslim scholars are interested in physical and scientific evidence to prove the truthfulness of the Qur’an, and when they prove the validity of the Qur’an and its miracles with scientific evidence, they embrace Islam

Therefore, God gives them the opportunity to discover and search
Although God spoke about this discovery in the Qur’an 1400 years ago




The Muslim does not need scientific miracles, but the infidels need scientific miracles
Nothing harms us
the Qur’an that is proven to be true and outweighs the scientific theory that is developing to prove the truthfulness of the Qur’an in the end


The scientific miracle is appropriate for the Western mentality. The Church’s control over matters in Europe, until it imposed its vision on scientific facts, and set a ceiling that these facts could not exceed, had a bad impact on Western man in his relationship with Christianity, and in his view of all religions. The Western mind became a material mind, believing in the senses and not giving weight to the unseen or “metaphysics,” as he calls it.

Hence, it was necessary to take into account this mentality ; It is better that we establish for them the evidence for the correctness of Islam, and the safety of the Qur’an from distortion,

That is why Professor Abdullah Allison says: “The scientific facts in Islam are the best method in islam



New articles have been recently issued as their writers are wondering: if these cosmic and scientific facts existed in the Qur'an 1400 years ago, then why were you waiting for the West scientists to discover them and you say that the Qur'an has preceded them in the speech about these facts? Moreover, you bear on the Qur'anic text what it cannot bear of interpretation and explanation?

The answer of these questions is found in the same verses that spoke about the coincidence between the science and the Qur'an. That is because these verses are basically directed for the disbelievers who do not believe in the Qur'an. Allah (Exalted is He) has directed those verses towards them because they who will see the cosmic facts and they who ill discover them.

Therefore, we find the divine eloquence addressing them while saying: "We will soon show them Our signs in the horizons and in themselves until it is evident to them that it is the Truth. And does it not suffice as to your Lord that He is The Ever-Present Witness over everything?" Surat Fussilat (Expounded) verse no.53

This clear verse is addressing those who suspect the Qur'an. It says that Allah will guide them to see His signs and miracles to realize and know foe certainty that the Qur'an is the truth and it is the book of Allah (Exalted is He). He is also addressing and calling them while saying: Will they not then contemplate the Qur’an? And if it had been from (any where) other than the Providence of Allah, indeed they would have found in it many difference (s). Surat An-Nisa (Women) verse no.82

Thus if the Qur'an has been sent by a humanbeing i.e. by anyone rather than Allah, we will see in it the differences and the contrasts. But if we see it agreeing and coinciding with the new science and doesn’t contradict with it, then this is a scientific evidence that it is coming from Allah (Exalted and Blessed is He) Who is the Creator of the universe and the revelator of the Qur'an.

This is the aim of the scientific miracle, to see in the Qur'an this symmetry in every thing and not to find any disturbance, mistake or contrast. That is because those are the characteristics of the book of Allah (Exalted is He). Whereas the books written by people however their writers write them perfectly, they still have contrast, disturbance or mistake.

The greatest evidence of the truth of this qur'anic fact is that the scientists started to change their cosmic terms, for example they change the term “space” to “building”. Thus they have discovered that they are mistaken in using this term so they left it and used what is more accurate and correct after their discovery of the dark matter.

But the Qur'an, which is descended by Allah Who knows the secrets of Heavens and Earth, has given us the accurate expression directly. Thus Allah has described his book saying: "Untruth does not come up to it before (Literally: between its two hands) it nor from behind it; a successive sending down from (One) Ever-Wise, Ever-Praiseworthy". Surat Fussilat (Expounded) verse no.42

Therefore if these discoveries have been done by believers who would then say that they are beforehandedly mentioned in the Qur'an, the disbelievers would deny their truthfulness. The miracle happens when you find that the person who denies the Qur'an unconsciously repeats it words. Here, the miraculous nature becomes greater than it when the discoveries would be done by the believers.

If we follow the qur'anic verses speaking about the cosmos, we’ll find that they are addressing the disbelievers who are far from the book of Allah and who are denying His words (Exalted and Blessed is He). As the believer believes all what is descended by Allah (Exalted and Glorified is He) and these scientific facts increase his certainty and faith in Allah, the Creator and Inventor, of this universe, Who says about the uniqueness of His creation what follows: "And you see the mountains, that you reckon inert, and (really) they pass by like clouds- the handiwork of Allah, Who has consummated everything; surely He is Ever-Cognizant of whatever you perform." Sû rat An-Naml (The Ant) verse no.88

Concerning the disbeliever, who denies the Qur'an and disbelieves the message of Islam, he should look and contemplate to reach convincingly to the faith of Islam and to realize from these facts the truthfulness of this religion and the truthfulness of the Seal of the Prophets i.e. Mohammad (May the best prayers and peace be upon him).






Scientists' comments on Quran - IslamiCity




You will be shocked after watching the video

The Bible and The Quran - in the Light of Science Dr Zakir Naik and Dr William youtube

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Old 19-04-2023, 05:34 PM
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The Quran has been memorized
Because God saved the Quran from changing
The predicate is connected
And the writers of the Koran are known generation after generationThe Holy Qur’an was written directly
and hadith

From the mouth of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him
so
The Quran was written by the Companions of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him

And the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was aliveThere were also known eyewitnesses
So
The original message is fully preserved until nowOn the contrary
The Bible was not recorded directly
But
After 300 years after the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him

Bible verses are written down

Without trustworthy witnesses

Because they were not present at the time of Jesus, peace be upon himEven the Old Testament was written down
One thousand years after the death of the Prophet moses peace be upon him


Of course, the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, does not speak except by inspiration from God
God says in the Qur’an
Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.
It is not but a revelation revealed,


Secondly, the Qur’an is something that no human being can write, modify or add to it

So far, no one has been able to produce anything close to the Qur'an in its beauty, style, meaning and prophecies.

The scientific evidence in the Qur’an makes it the most talked about book in the world of thought today.


The strongest evidence that the Quran is not (and will not be) distorted is that Allaah The Exalted challenged His creation to produce the likes of it; then He challenged them to produce ten chapters only and finally challenged them to produce even a single chapter. Today, this challenge remains open. If the Quran is fabricated, why can they not even produce a single chapter and defeat their enemy?




structures with totally organized meanings, words and sentences. and there are lots and lots of books that were attempted to match the language of Quran but they couldn't because It's not a bout producing some words and compining them together.

The "bullions" and "chains" of Quran is very unique that taking those bullions and changing the words with the same structure and same chains will not yeild anything that have meaning.


1,500-year-old Quran manuscript may be oldest known copy



Recently radiocarbon dated copy of the 7th century Quran at the University of Birmingham.A 1,500-year-old parchment may be one of the oldest known copies of the Qur'an, possibly dating back to a time that straddled the life of the Prophet Muhammad, according to researchers who recently dated the fragments of the manuscript.

The text was radiocarbon dated, which measured the age of organic materials from the find. Researchers at the University of Birmingham, UK, found that the sheets of parchment dated back to AD 568 and AD 645.
Susan Worrall, director of special collections at the University of Birmingham, said in a statement.
"Radiocarbon dating has delivered an exciting result, which contributes significantly to our understanding of the first written copies of the Quran",

The Prophet Muhammad is said to have lived between AD 570 and 632 and, according to Muslim tradition, he received the revelations that make up the Quran between AD 610 and 632.These sheets date back to the end of the 6th or the beginning of the 7th century. They were discovered in the library of the University of Birmingham where they had been kept for almost 100 years without anyone suspecting their age.

see here

Oldest version of the Quran at the University of Birmingham - YouTube
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The Qur’an and the true biography of the Prophet must be studied in specialized Islamic centers and not from hostile websites
or interpretations without the context of the true story of the verse.

It seems that showing the truth does not appeal to the haters of Islam because their books are full of murder, especially the killing of young children,
looting, theft, incest, and accusing the prophets of the most heinous charges.
These people accuse Islam and its Prophet without reliable historical evidence of their ignorance
And these people wonder !when we explain the truth to them

However, if Islam and its Prophet, as they say Why is Islam spreading so quickly and people are converting to Islam?
And the numbers increase and not decrease ?

God says in the Qur’an

(32) They want to extinguish the light of Allāh with their mouths, but Allāh refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

Many quotes on the life of the Prophet (sws) reported by Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Hisham, At-Tabari, Al-Waqidi and Ibn Sa'd. Ibn katheir
More than an explanation and a novel

In the same subject
but rather historico-biographical books of Muhammad (sws). Since, apart from prophetic traditions, we do not have much

Indeed, should we take them for granted and say that historico-biographical books are true because they were written by Muslims? No, every book apart from the Quran must be studied

Historio-biographies of the life of the Prophet of Islam (sws) are very flawed and erroneous. All these authors have not taken care to convey certain facts about the life of the Prophet (sws) which are nevertheless important for a Muslim. Some have been called a “liar” which is serious. the Islamophobes who unhealthily use these books of Prophetic biography and military expeditions by using false stories to discredit the Prophet (sws).

When we read the Bible,

David (as) who would have committed adultery with Uri's wife and would have had her husband killed to marry her then, Aaron (as) who would have made the idol of the golden calf which perverted the children of Israel , Solomon (as) who would have ended his polytheistic life because of his wives, etc. God forbid we say such nonsense about the best men who walked this earth.
The prophets, peace be upon them, are innocent of this gossip.

So there are a lot of false stories about the prophets

You must therefore search

And you will go
For specialists in Islamic centers
To clarify and know
The correct version of the story
We therefore ask these Christians to read the Bible before bringing an accusation on the Prophet (sws), what better than to re-read the words of the Prophet Jesus (as) on this theme:


“Judge not, lest you be judged. For with the judgment which you judge you will be judged, and with the measure which you measure will be measured. Why do you see the straw that's in your brother's eye, and don't you see the beam that's in your eye? Or how can you say to your brother: Let me take a straw out of your eye, you who have a beam in yours? You hypocrite, first take the beam out of your eye, and then you will see how to take the chaff out of your brother's eye. ”

(Matthew 7, 1-5)

Mohammad (pbuh) in the Bible
Muhammad (SAW) is prophesied in the books of Isaiah:

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah, chapter 29 verse 12:

“And the book is given to him who cannot read, saying: Read this, I pray you, and he said: I cannot read. "

When Archangel Gabriel commanded Muhammad (peace_be_upon_him) saying Iqra - “Read”, he replied, “I cannot read
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Old 20-04-2023, 08:39 AM
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*Deleted-rude* This is a forum for interaction between people not just bold assertions over and over again you say that the koran is perfectly preserved yet the only people that say the koran has been preserved are Muslims and no actual scholars agree with that claim I mean the koran people have today was made in 1924 and all other differing copies were thrown into the Euphrates River to hide the evidence

for example


a quote from Wikipedia says "The Koran claims for itself that it is 'mubeen,' or 'clear,' but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims—and Orientalists—will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Koranic text is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Koran is not comprehensible—if it can't even be understood in Arabic—then it's not translatable. People fear that. And since the Koran claims repeatedly to be clear but obviously is not—as even speakers of Arabic will tell you—there is a contradiction. Something else must be going on."

and the first page of Google says *

"extent copies of ancient quotations and texts relying upon ancient copies of the Quran have shown that dramatic variations in text existed. Even in the 20th century, there are Arabic versions of the Quran which have varying Sura"
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Commentaries of non-Muslim scholars on the Qur'an

The following are some comments of scientists[1] on the scientific miracles in the Holy Quran.

1) Dr. T. V. N. Persaud is Professor of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years. He is well-known in his field. He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 181 scientific papers. In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. When he was asked about the scientific miracles in the Quran which he has researched, he stated the following:

“The way it was explained to me is that Muhammad was a very ordinary man. He could not read, didn’t know [how] to write. In fact, he was an illiterate. And we’re talking about twelve [actually about fourteen] hundred years ago. You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements and statements and that are amazingly accurate about scientific nature. And I personally can’t see how this could be a mere chance. There are too many accuracies and, like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements.”


Professor Persaud has included some Quranic verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, in some of his books. He has also presented these verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad at several conferences.

2) Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson is the Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA. Formerly, he was Professor of Ob-Gyn and the Chairman of the Department of Ob-Gyn at the University of Tennessee, Memphis, Tennessee, USA. He was also the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Professor Simpson studied the following two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad:

“In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days...”[2]

“If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones....”[3]

He studied these two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad extensively, noting that the first forty days constitute a clearly distinguishable stage of embryo-genesis. He was particularly impressed by the absolute precision and accuracy of those sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. Then, during one conference, he gave the following opinion:

“So that the two hadeeths (the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad) that have been noted provide us with a specific time table for the main embryological development before forty days. Again, the point has been made, I think, repeatedly by other speakers this morning: these hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available [at] the time of their writing . . . . It follows, I think, that not only there is no conflict between genetics and religion but, in fact, religion can guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches, that there exist statements in the Quran shown centuries later to be valid, which support knowledge in the Quran having been derived from God.”

3) Dr. E. Marshall Johnson is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Developmental Biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. There, for 22 years he was Professor of Anatomy, the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, and the Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute. He was also the President of the Teratology Society. He has authored more than 200 publications. In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Johnson said in the presentation of his research paper:

“Summary: The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.”

Also he said: “As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.


4) Dr. William W. Hay is a well-known marine scientist. He is Professor of Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA. He was formerly the Dean of the Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science at the University of Miami, Miami, Florida, USA. After a discussion with Professor Hay about the Quran’s mention of recently discovered facts on seas, he said:

“I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Quran, and I have no way of knowing where they would come from, but I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and that this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages.” And when he was asked about the source of the Quran, he replied: “Well, I would think it must be the divine being.”


5) Dr. Gerald C. Goeringer is Course Director and Associate Professor of Medical Embryology at the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, USA. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Goeringer stated the following in the presentation of his research paper:

“In a relatively few aayahs (Quranic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development, such as classification, terminology, and description, existed previously. In most, if not all, instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature.”


6) Dr. Yoshihide Kozai is Professor Emeritus at Tokyo University, Hongo, Tokyo, Japan, and was the Director of the National Astronomical Observatory, Mitaka, Tokyo, Japan. He said:

“I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in [the] Quran, and for us the modern astronomers have been studying very small pieces of the universe. We’ve concentrated our efforts for understanding of [a] very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts [of] the sky without thinking [about the] whole universe. So, by reading [the] Quran and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe.”


7) Professor Tejatat Tejasen is the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at Chiang Mai University, Chiang Mai, Thailand. Previously, he was the Dean of the Faculty of Medicine at the same university. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Tejasen stood up and said:

“During the last three years, I became interested in the Quran . . . . From my study and what I have learned from this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth, which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible [as the] creator.

This creator must be God. Therefore, I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger (Prophet) of Allah (God). Lastly, I must congratulate for the excellent and highly successful arrangement for this conference . . . . I have gained not only from the scientific point of view and religious point of view but also the great chance of meeting many well-known scientists and making many new friends among the participants. The most precious thing of all that I have gained by coming to this place is La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, and to have become a Muslim.”



After all these examples we have seen about the scientific miracles in the Holy Quran and all these scientists’ comments on this, let us ask ourselves these questions:

• Could it be a coincidence that all this recently discovered scientific information from different fields was mentioned in the Quran, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago?

• Could this Quran have been authored by Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, or by any other human being?

The only possible answer is that this Quran must be the literal word of God, revealed by Him.

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Some people have fantasies and imaginary stories about the Qur'an
Especially after the shock of the fall of the Holy Book, they cannot bear that the Qur’an is the book that human hands have not tampered with,

because God promised to preserve it as a final version to guide people and corrector for previous books.

The Qur’an has no problems, but accusations, falsehoods and suspicions without real and impartial scientific studyThe Qur'an is one copy


There is only one copy of the Qur’an in Islam. If you go to America, China, India, Egypt, any country in the world, you will find all Muslims reading the same Qur’an with the letter.
And the word and I challenge you if you find any Muslim who reads another words

But in the Bible, we find Christians divided

When we compare the Gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke together, and compare them to each other, we will notice that the events and speeches are modified as we go from one gospel to another


As one publisher (Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., Wheaton, Illinois) stated: “The Bible may look like one book, but it is actually sixty-six books in one. Thirty-nine books make up what we call the Old Testament, and twenty-seven make up the New Testament. It is possible that more than forty writers were used by God to write all sixty-six books.” (Quoted from the “Holy Bible” – New Living Translation, Gift & Award Edition, l997, p. vii)


So if the Bible is neither narrated by God nor written by Him, and, as such, is not ‘the word of God,’ then what is it? By any objective criteria, the Bible is a book containing a compilation of stories, legends, folk tales, folk lore, myths, sagas, narratives,


The original copy of the Qur’an was witnessed by hundreds of companions, because they wrote this copy, like some of them, from the mouth of the Prophet while he was alive

But some of the Companions also wrote the Qur’an, but he wrote his opinion and comments on the sidelines of the paper,
so Caliph Uthman burned it so that people would not believe that the writer’s opinion was the Qur’an.

In order for the Muslims to read the Qur’an easily, the Prophet was commanded to teach the Qur’an in accordance with people’s dialects…and if everyone was to abandon their dialect and what they were accustomed to speaking as a child, as a youth and in their old age, this would have imposed great difficulty and hardship on them…Thus, Allah intended for them ease by allowing some flexibility in the language in the multiplicity of readings


The aforementioned diversity in reciting the Qur’an did not pose a problem during the lifetime of the Prophet ﷺ as the companions became accustomed to the concept of seven aḥruf and diverse modes of recitation. The Prophet ﷺ sent different companions to teach the Qur’an to different tribes and communities and the different readings were transmitted. However, as Islam spread to distant lands, disputes began to arise between Muslims reciting according to different modes and dialects and it was precisely this emerging confusion that led the Caliph ‘Uthmān to compile and distribute a copy of the Qur’an to eliminate such confusion.


And also




It should not be forgotten that an old Koranic copy exists which passes to be one of the Uthmanian copies. It is located in Istanbul and dates from the 650s (Uthman died in 656).
Historical analysis of the Koran: here

Fair people testified to the extreme precision of the compilation of the Qur'an and the truthfulness and thoroughness of its transmission. English Orientalist Sir William Muir said: its compilation.The various parts were put together in an extremely simple manner and without afféterie. We do not find in this compilation the imprint of a hand which would have brought a talent or an order. It testifies to the faith of the compiler and his dedication to what he compiles because he did not dare to do more than take these sacred verses and put them one after the other. " As-Siddîq Abû Bakr by Mohammad Husayn Haykal, p. 332.

“The moral prescriptions of the Koran are excellent. Charity, beneficence, hospitality, moderation in desires, fidelity to the word given, love of neighbor, respect for parents, protection of widows and orphans, and even, the recommendation repeated several times to return good for evil, are taught there. ”Gustave Le Bon (1884) - The civilization of the Arabs.


1,500-year-old Quran manuscript may be oldest known copy



Recently radiocarbon dated copy of the 7th century Quran at the University of Birmingham.A 1,500-year-old parchment may be one of the oldest known copies of the Qur'an, possibly dating back to a time that straddled the life of the Prophet Muhammad, according to researchers who recently dated the fragments of the manuscript.

The text was radiocarbon dated, which measured the age of organic materials from the find. Researchers at the University of Birmingham, UK, found that the sheets of parchment dated back to AD 568 and AD 645.
Susan Worrall, director of special collections at the University of Birmingham, said in a statement.
"Radiocarbon dating has delivered an exciting result, which contributes significantly to our understanding of the first written copies of the Quran",

The Prophet Muhammad is said to have lived between AD 570 and 632 and, according to Muslim tradition, he received the revelations that make up the Quran between AD 610 and 632.These sheets date back to the end of the 6th or the beginning of the 7th century. They were discovered in the library of the University of Birmingham where they had been kept for almost 100 years without anyone suspecting their age.





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