Can we talk about this?

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Podshell

Gem, we don't usually grow food on roads,shops or in factories, natural environments thrive , coral reef and rainforest are awash with Diversity and a abundances, if we used our noggin we could make them even better, no need to import loads of junk that much ends up in landfill

Living off the landscape involves 'hungry times', and it's generally a tough existence, but it's a happy way to live. It's best for people to understand nature's ways and emulate eco systems for our own needs. Thus we have a biosymbotic place in the ecology. That wouldn't support current populations, but it's normal for species to go through waves of flourishing and dying off. Not tidal waves, just fluctuations.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Altair

We're not ''frugivores'' but omnivores. Wouldn't have eyes in front and so good at hunting and digesting animal food if we weren't.
But veganism and fruitarianism are extreme diets, and we have seen a counter response from conservative crazies that now go full meat,

I think we should minimize animal suffering, Go for yogurt instead of beef, and look for other vegetarian options. It's not perfect but it's the middle road.

These ideas about 'what we are' come from a 'one size fits all' mentality, which does not work mostly because no one sticks to one thing for very long. The number of people who would go vegan is next to none, and the number who sustain it m8ight as well be zero. Virtue eaters like vegans and frugarians are convinced they are right and what they say is best. Some of them claim to be trained in the science, but the scope of knowledge, meta-analyses, rarely support their claims. They will say science is corrupt, but appeal to whatever supports their shtick and dismiss the stuff that doesn't.

My approach is different because I say get your calories right, get good protein and micronutrients. This can be done in many ways, which is actually successful because the only thing that 'works' is whatever you can stick to. If you want to change that, fine, the new way will also work. After a while the vegan might want to be keto - the same principles apply. I personally wouldn't suggest either of those, but if someone wanted to, I going say how to do it right (according to first principles).

When I was in the fitness world pre-covid, I was very successful, and I never once said 'the natural human diet' or even had a preferential approach to eating. I just asked, listened, and fit their tastes and preferences. It all works just fine.

I'd have a scale from good to excellent. If all you can do is get calories right, that's good. If you get the protein right as well, even better, If you do that and also get all your micronutrients, very good. If you do that with a regular daily eating schedule (eg. IF), outstanding, and if you get all that on point, as well as ensure you supplement any shortfalls - excellent! Vegan. Meat. Vegetarian whatever - it works with all the different 'human diets' that dogmatic diet gurus are selling. It's just that they fail because they aren't flexible. I succeed because there's so many ways to skin a cat.

Secretly, I would advocate vegitarianism, but it wouldn't work because practically no one is going to stick to it - me included. It's just that they might start eating meat and it still works anyway.

Hence I agree with your approach, but I can't say 'it's best'. Ideally it probably is, but what's ideal and what's real are different things.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Gem

Secretly, I would advocate vegitarianism, but it wouldn't work because practically no one is going to stick to it - me included. It's just that they might start eating meat and it still works anyway.

Hence I agree with your approach, but I can't say 'it's best'. Ideally it probably is, but what's ideal and what's real are different things.

Many people stick to it, and anyone interested in Eastern spirituality should take it seriously considering most teachers and works advocate for a vegetarian diet.

As for nutrition, I already get 40g protein with just breakfast alone. It is a non-issue.