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Old 06-06-2021, 12:22 PM
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I have spoken the serenity prayer many times. Often, on my way to work.
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Old 06-06-2021, 02:23 PM
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God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and wisdom to know the difference.


And the Original...

Father, give us courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what cannot be helped, and the insight to know the one from the other.

Lovely
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Old 07-06-2021, 03:58 PM
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I love all the words throughout the world that touch on the same thing.




Yes, so true.
I look for the universal teachings also, while trying to Honor the differences.
I could say I am a student of Divine Love and all it contains.
I may not always get good grades but I am persistent or persist-Ant as in Ant like.
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Old 07-06-2021, 03:59 PM
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And the Original...

Father, give us courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what cannot be helped, and the insight to know the one from the other.

Lovely


Oh, dug down to the original, Me likey.
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Old 10-06-2021, 04:46 AM
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Nice to see and hear from the gatherers.


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Picking Sage & Sweet Grass in Onion Lake Cree Nation with Yvonne Carter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyrkDo7Njlw

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Sharing Medicines: Balsam Bark, Poplar Bark, Sage, Sweetgrass, and Wihkes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t284BWzdXk
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Old 21-06-2021, 02:23 AM
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I thought this was interesting information, since I have attended many Lowanpi's and Yuwipi's.Also what is called the Shaking tent.

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The Night Sing, or Lowanpi, is probably the most fascinating rite in the western hemisphere. Anthropologists believe that it has its origins in Siberia and that it spread from there to many places throughout the world. It is believed to have been practiced in Nepal and northern China thousands of years ago. There are ancient traces of it among the Laplanders’, The Mongols, The Icelandic peoples’ and in Amazonia.

Above taken from this site:https://thesingingstone.org/the-yuwi...pi-ceremonies/

This following quote stuck out and made me laugh.
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Recently, people say things like “these ceremonies came about when our people had to hide their spiritual practices”. These views are inconsistent with Anthropological and Archaeological facts as the Yuwipi is thought of as the Neanderthal’s primary religion.

I have been told that Yuwipi is very, very old, I had never heard it was Neanderthal's primary religion.This makes me proud. Like four head banging proud.


EDIT: there are some good songs that I know on the site above. I was happy to hear them again.
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Old 22-06-2021, 06:08 AM
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I thought this was interesting information, since I have attended many Lowanpi's and Yuwipi's.Also what is called the Shaking tent.
I do not know this ceremony – never experienced it, but yes it is interesting.

https://www.academia.edu/42638588/Da..._the_Invisible
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Dark Tent and Light Tent. Two Ways of Travelling in the Invisible
1 The Dark Tent One particularly impressive form of imaginative sharing is offered by a ritual found among a vast range of hunter-gatherers and reindeer herders in the Artic and sub-Arctic regions. The practice has been named by ethnographers in various ways, such as ‘the dark tent’ in eastern and central Siberia, ‘the separate voices’ in northeast Siberia, ‘the underwater voyage’ among the Inuit and the Athabaskans, and ‘the shaking tent’ among the Algonquians and Sioux. Because of these different expressions and the lack of contact between American and Soviet ethnology during the twentieth century, noone noticed that they refer to the same form, which has an extraordinary transcontinental extension of about 10,000 km from the Urals to Labrador and the American Plains. From the eighteenth century onwards, Russian observers have described divination seances held in the dark among the West Siberian Ob Ugrians, in particular the Khant.
Also “Spirit Lodge, a North American Shamanistic Séance”:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/531...dafb292731.pdf

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I have been told that Yuwipi is very, very old, I had never heard it was Neanderthal's primary religion.
I thought it was the Bear Ceremonies and the use of red ochre which was what the early hunter gatherers and Neanderthals had in common, but maybe there was more?

“American Indians, Neanderthals and Denisovans”:
http://anthropogenesis.kinshipstudie...ans-pca-views/

Got no Denisovan to speak of, but since I’ve got more Neanderthal than 98% of people tested – how much more do Amerinds in general have I wonder

My bet is on “Ancient North Eurasian” (ANE dna) carrying cultures.

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Old 23-06-2021, 01:48 AM
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I have been told that Yuwipi is very, very old, I had never heard it was Neanderthal's primary religion.This makes me proud. Like four head banging proud.

Why is Neanderthal so great?

If I remember right - Neanderthals gave us our immunity at the start, but too much Neanderthal genes can lead to autoimmune diseases, plus there apparently is a major genetic risk factor for severe COVID-19 as well:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2818-3

….. In addition to other not too desirable traits:
https://www.genengnews.com/wp-conten...17686215-1.jpg

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Old 23-06-2021, 02:43 AM
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Why is Neanderthal so great?

If I remember right - Neanderthals gave us our immunity at the start, but too much Neanderthal genes can lead to autoimmune diseases, plus there apparently is a major genetic risk factor for severe COVID-19 as well:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2818-3

….. In addition to other not too desirable traits:
https://www.genengnews.com/wp-conten...17686215-1.jpg

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Let me address this one first.
My response to the shaking tent and Yuwipi possibly coming from the Neanderthal is because I am always for the underdog.
I have a soft spot for the disadvantaged.(If they were disadvantaged)
It made me feel good that a major Spiritual Ceremony may have been handed down in a unbroken line from the Neanderthals.
It is kinda weird but that was and is the way I still feel about it.
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Old 23-06-2021, 05:35 AM
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At first I treated this Neanderthal-thing as a joke, but then yeah, it is pretty cool that all of us Europeans & Eurasians & Amerinds do have Neanderthal ancestry. It actually is our history.

Reminded me of the book I had read years before by Jean M. Auel “The Clan of the Cave Bear”
Book review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evBo0Za2Gho

After reading them all, I felt the books were great for teenagers and young adults, but the story really does suck you in.
Audiobook available for free:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...3tYlaXe2kX09jf

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But now as one gets older the reality of it does bite a bit with all the risk factors associated with having too much Neanderthal.

Well, at least I won’t grow hair on my back. (One of the traits).

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Later, - the Mal'ta Buret' culture …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGsOtJuzNvg

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