The self/I is not ego-mind. The ego-mind is not the sense of I/self.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

Having too many beliefs that are not true is destructive cognitive behviour and/or a personality disorder, which is what most would call 'programming'.

Cognitive behaviour forms our memories or more correctly the perceptions that form the memories, it is the mainly cognitive behaviour that 'decides' on what kind of experience we have but that is also in relation to other unconscious aspects of ourselve and our conscious self image/esteem - amongst other things. If you practice Right Thinking and have a healthy self esteem, you'll have a very different experience to someone who has low self esteem and destructive cognitive behaviour. There are a few conscious and unconscious 'subsystems' at play that create our subjective realities, and anything internalised has been processed by those subsystems first. Emotional trauma and the mental effects, for instance, are not reactions to actual events but to our perceptions of the events, and our inability to deal with them.

Yes, that is the way it is now, but it does not mean we can't become conscious/aware of all our our unconscious cognitive behaviour/programming, which is the root cause of how we think/gives us the thoughts we have. The point of meditation if for people to become conscious/aware of all thier unconscious cognitive behaviours/programming, not just for an hour or two here and there when they meditate, but all the time in their day to day life when they are awake.

[ajay00]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

The ego-mind uses language, concepts, metaphors, analogies and other worldly things as tools or instruments to describe, experience, express and to get to know the self/itself/god (or whatever you want to call god), the physical universe and everything in the universe, which includes other ego-minds describing, experiencing, expressing and getting to know the self/itself/god (or whatever you want to call god), the physical universe and everything in the universe.

The self is the physical manifestation/form of god or whatever you want to call god, thus god and the self are one!

Okay, but there is a distinction between the higher Self and the smaller self.


The smaller self (with a lower case letter 's') is considered distinct from the higher Self ( with a higher case letter 'S').


The smaller self is considered the ego or false identity, while the higher Self is considered to be awareness or pure consciousness that is one's true identity.

By keeping these two distinct, you will be able to converse or discuss this philosophy without any confusions.

Originally Posted by ajay00

Okay, but there is a distinction between the higher Self and the smaller self.


The smaller self (with a lower case letter 's') is considered distinct from the higher Self ( with a higher case letter 'S').


The smaller self is considered the ego or false identity, while the higher Self is considered to be awareness or pure consciousness that is one's true identity.

By keeping these two distinct, you will be able to converse or discuss this philosophy without any confusions.

Yup.

Discernment is key in Advaita philosophy. Discernment between Purusha and Prakriti, between Spirit/Consciousness and nature, between Self and the ego-self.

Confusing the two, attributing the quality of one to the other, is referred to as superimposition. It's what the ego-self (Ahamkara, the I-maker) does and that's at the root of bondage and suffering.

Someone on here,once mentioned popcorn to enjoy the show,

but i can't stomach side shows.

Align with the truth,be authentic.

Be gone with the llusionary thinking.

[God-Like]

How I see Self and self as being different, is that if there is a thought of self it isn't Self in entirety .

So self is only a thought of Self or what you are .


x daz x

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by ajay00

Okay, but there is a distinction between the higher Self and the smaller self.


The smaller self (with a lower case letter 's') is considered distinct from the higher Self ( with a higher case letter 'S').


The smaller self is considered the ego or false identity, while the higher Self is considered to be awareness or pure consciousness that is one's true identity.

By keeping these two distinct, you will be able to converse or discuss this philosophy without any confusions.

Nah, that is more separating and dividing. It is impossible to separate and divide oneness/wholeness or unity and have oneness/wholeness or unity at the same time.

Pitting one aspect of oneness/wholeness or unity (in this case the higher self) against another aspect of oneness/wholeness or unity (in this case the lower self) is not oneness/wholeness or unity at all.

All is one and one is all and that includes The higher self, lower self

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by God-Like

How I see Self and self as being different, is that if there is a thought of self it isn't Self in entirety .

So self is only a thought of Self or what you are .


x daz x

Yes, and those thoughts of the self are the result of the subjective information/conditioning we store in our unconscious.

Even the personal experiences we have are based on the subjective information/conditioning we store in our unconscious. Thus, personal experiences are not always an indicator or gauge of truth.

The personal experiences that we have from our subjective information/conditioning is just as misleading and full of bull as the subjective information/conditioning that caused them in the first place.

Originally Posted by MikeS80

Nah, that is more separating and dividing. It is impossible to separate and divide oneness/wholeness or unity and have oneness/wholeness or unity at the same time.

Pitting one aspect of oneness/wholeness or unity (in this case the higher self) against another aspect of oneness/wholeness or unity (in this case the lower self) is not oneness/wholeness or unity at all.

All is one and one is all and that includes The higher self, lower self

What happens to Oneness/Wholeness when the lower self dies? What about when all lower selfs die? How about after the Big Chill when the universe dies a heat death? The answer is nothing. Oneness/Wholeness still exists even though all Its names, forms and functions disappear.

The conclusion is inescapable. Objective reality is dependent on One but One is not dependent on objective reality. It's the ego(lower)-self that resists this conclusion because the ego-self is of objective reality and wants to retain its primacy, the ego-self's ultimate existential crisis.

The separation thingy is part and parcel of self inquiry negation (Neti Neti) as taught by the Vedantic non-dual traditions. It's the first step to the not-two. It inculcates discernment and its purpose is to resolve superimposition of the ego-self and Self. https://youtu.be/linp33m9rIk

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

What happens to Oneness/Wholeness when the lower self dies? What about when all lower selfs die? How about after the Big Chill when the universe dies a heat death? The answer is nothing. Oneness/Wholeness still exists even though all Its names, forms and functions disappear.

The conclusion is inescapable. Objective reality is dependent on One but One is not dependent on objective reality. It's the ego(lower)-self that resists this conclusion because the ego-self is of objective reality and wants to retain its primacy, the ego-self's ultimate existential crisis.

The separation thingy is part and parcel of self inquiry negation (Neti Neti) as taught by the Vedantic non-dual traditions. It's the first step to the not-two. It inculcates discernment and its purpose is to resolve superimposition of the ego-self and Self. https://youtu.be/linp33m9rIk

That is obvious. And you are still separating and dividing oneness/wholeness. Death does not matter anyway, because we are not able to observe, experience, remember and learn anything after we die and are non-being. But we are able to observe, experience, remember and learn things right here and now in physical form on earth.

What we are able to experience and learn here on earth in the right here and right now is what truly matters. Dreaming or fantasizing about something we can not personally experience and learn about on earth like oneness after death is being in your head/mind way too much and is a total and complete waste of time and a waste of the right here and right now. Why? because life, death, being, non-being, duality, non-duality, and objective, ultimate reality, the right here and right now are all one and the same/whole.

Is dreaming and fantasizing inside your head/mind with subjective information truly experiencing oneness/wholeness that is out there in the right here and now/objective reality/ultimate reality? No it is not!

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

Yes, and those thoughts of the self are the result of the subjective information/conditioning we store in our unconscious.

Even the personal experiences we have are based on the subjective information/conditioning we store in our unconscious. Thus, personal experiences are not always an indicator or gauge of truth.

The personal experiences that we have from our subjective information/conditioning is just as misleading and full of bull as the subjective information/conditioning that caused them in the first place.

Well it really does depend on the foundation of truth that is not relative to the individual self .

If we set up a foundation that the relative self experiences relative truth, then regardless of subjectiveness and conditioning, the truth of that can be known experientially .

If we set up the truth being beyond that, it would like saying everything that is relatively experienced is not the truth or is a dream or false in some way .

This is what happens when we create foundations .


x daz x