Indigenous Spirit of All colors

sentient
In reference to post #748 #749 #750

Follow your visions/dreams/journeys, which ever form they take or however they come about for you's.
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I have especially liked your Bear ceremony vid. and pics. from post #750.

Forgive my brevity these days but the Nature and Sun calls.
Here is the Ceremony in full.(21mins.)"The Winds of the Milky Way"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LgY3vFpMxI

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Originally Posted by ImthatIm

I have especially liked your Bear ceremony vid. and pics. from post #750.
Here is the Ceremony in full.(21mins.)"The Winds of the Milky Way"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LgY3vFpMxI

Sheesh you are good at finding things! Thank you.
But no, that is not the bear ceremony, but a show for the camera as an example of a Shaman going into a trance journey – the bear, I trust, was his guide.

This is The Bear Ceremony (a looong-loooong winded video, and they don’t even show the 'spirit-release at the tree' at the end of the ceremony).
All Uralic tribes have got their own version of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX7nHETRNow

Here one can see the Bear Scull Tree: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e3/ca...7eec64c676.jpg

In our story, the bear became our totemic ancestor when a maiden married a bear ….

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What does a totem mean to Native Americans? Is it an animal ancestor?

Surely it cannot mean these New Age totems for Amerind hobbyists:
https://whatismyspiritanimal.com/nat...gy/wolf-totem/

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[sentient]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

Follow your visions/dreams/journeys, which ever form they take or however they come about for you's.

Well, would the Ancestral Spirits and their Totemic ‘Entities’ recognize ‘you’ if ‘you’ weren’t their descendant?!

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The Totemic Animal Ancestor of Asian Turks:
https://www.facebook.com/Turk-Mongol...1340060693776/

Being a dna-evangelist, it is a pity, you ImthatIm do not have your raw dna-data.

I had a closer (dna) look at my “Wolf-Ancestor”.
From previous tests, I knew long time ago, that Saami & I share a lot of Chuvash (Turkic people) ibd’s (identical-by-descent) deep ancestry chromosome segments. Chuvash is most often used to show Saami closeness to populations. But I had never heard of Chuvash particularly identifying with Wolf Ancestor.

But now having had a fresh new look, it isn’t Chuvash, Saami (and I) are closest to, but Bashkirs.
And what does Bashkir stand for:

The name of the people of Bashkort has been known since the 10th century, most researchers etymologize the name as "main/leader/head" (bash) + "wolf" (qort, old archaic word for the animal), thus "wolf-leader" (from the totemic hero ancestor).

Well-well-well … fancy that.
But this is deep ancestry and if something isn’t practiced anymore, say over 500 years - energetically it starts to fade away. (In Wolf-speak ‘There no longer is a lingering ‘scent’ to follow energetically’).
If that ‘scent’ is still there, one can renew old connections, but if it isn’t then reconstructing the old (from anthropological data etc.) is a hit and miss affair.

Though I do get Saami from both of my grandmothers - my Lapp-gran must have had quite a lot of Turkic due to her relatively recent Siberian ancestor, which must have revived this wolf ancestry situation considerably for it to have come through.

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sentient
I felt your vid. "The Sons of Torum" maybe the best vid. I've seen in a while.
People living the Life, fully engaged with Life.
The SOUND chopping of the tree and the SOUND splitting the wood echoing into
the silence of Nature draws me away from this modern noise of the modern worlds humming
of activity where your echoes drown into modern noise.
When your noise reverberates back Life to you, you know your in a cleansing place.
That's how I felt after watching your video.

I don't feel any pity for not having some test to tell me what I am dna wise.I live with my dna and ancestry daily.
Anything is free to speak through my Dreams,visions and various ways that they communicate.
I follow and flow with the signs of Life best I can.
I made a personal vow with my Mother who died at about age 42.
She was adopted and new nothing of Her ancestry.
She was adamant of not wanting to know Her ancestry and stated that Her adopted Parents where Her Parents, period.
I adopted Her posture at that time and have held it close to my Heart.
But I keep getting she is probably Dutch,from the Pennsylvania Dutch.
Which would make my maternal side German. What???

Horse goddess song by Greywolf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS51ysaYoqE&t=8s

Originally Posted by sentient

Well, would the Ancestral Spirits and their Totemic ‘Entities’ recognize ‘you’ if ‘you’ weren’t their descendant?!

No idea. To recognize is to know them again, so there has to be familiarity.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by sentient

What does a totem mean to Native Americans? Is it an animal ancestor?

Ok. Ok. Generally, Amerinds are not descendants of an animal ancestor (totem).
Which still makes me wonder about this and their foundation stories:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlingit_clans

Originally Posted by sentient

But I had never heard of Chuvash particularly identifying with Wolf Ancestor.

Because 'Chuvashia' is said to have been originally inhabited by Finno-Ugric tribes; - prior to the arrival of Turkic people taking over, which then resulted in the language shift for the Chuvash.

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Amerinds tell their - “Earth Diver Creation” stories. The Turtle Island myth. But the turtle is a symbol & not a totem?

We tell the “Cosmic Egg” story – a waterfowl laid - usually a duck, but can be a swan or an eagle, though an ‘earth diver’ story is also told. But the duck, the swan and the eagle can also have totemic clan associations.

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

Horse goddess song by Greywolf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS51ysaYoqE&t=8s

Pheww!
I thought I was going totally demented asking the same question over and over again, expecting a different answer ….
“Wolves are credited with being early ancestors of some tribes while others see them as protectors and as told much in their folklore, the Quileute descended from wolves”.

Looks like there are some animal ancestor stories after all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fi2ge2m1w

The art in your video ImthatIm looks like is coming from the Franco-Cantabrian caves, where the Euro Western Hunter Gatherers lived during the ice age. Were their totems the horse and the bison? Don’t know.

The Uffington White Horse however is “3-4,000 years old, (with Iron Age coins bearing a similar design having been found nearby)”, so it must have been made by Indo-Europeans - proud of their invention of the wheel and killing off (?) the ("Euro first nations") hunter gatherer male lines. (I1)
Did Indo-Europeans have totems? Don’t know.

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[sentient]

P.S. ImthatIm
Your response to "The Sons of Torum" video was lovely.
The sounds echoing into the Silence (of Totality) can produce a profound ‘awareness shift’.

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[sentient]

Some imagery.

I love the way the wolf’s sense of smell is emphasized (I assume) in Quileute masks:
http://www.museyon.com/wp-content/up...8/Quileute.jpg

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Found this picture on the net years ago and saved it, as it hit me at the time (a friend passed away).
Don’t know what that mask represents – is it sun?
However – my projection onto it …
Bears listen to the forest all the time (an old-timer bear totemic once told me as he started to imitate the bear) … so me thinks - it was intuitive and sensitive of you ImthatIm to hone in on the listening of the forest echoes.
And when the son of the bear (totemic) passes away and the Spirit Light begins to dawn, the Totality of the forest will make the bear aware of it …
https://ibb.co/44rfHKQ

The good thing about animal-totem demonstrations is, that ‘you’ kinda become ‘hypnotized’ by the demonstrator’s movements and thus remember them …



This is the Northern Lights appearing in the shape of a wolf.
But my projection onto the image - is that it is a bit like when you recognize ‘your totem’ and it recognizes you ... & the ‘Lower World’ awakes …. the wolf echoes will come alive & come at you from all the 7 directions …. (hence being “check-mated” – there is no escape but to become aware of it):
https://ibb.co/JmZyvLP

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I assume, that the Amerind “Spirit Animal” thing, lore … can lend itself to the “New Age” take-over distortions (?) easier than the totemic stuff.
https://skaclothing.co.za/what-is-th...-a-totem-pole/

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Here a musical ‘bridge’ between East & West.

Steppe herder cultures Mongols still are and Indo-Europeans were.
Like echoes from the past:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vztR...tSptmO&index=6

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[sentient]

Dimash from Kazakhstan (=wolf totemic):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XjlDCSJSV8

From 3:42 the song is directed at the Universal Echo ....