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Old 24-10-2020, 07:26 PM
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Shadow Energy Work Life Balance

Hello spiritual community,

For those that are currently working with their shadow and traveling into more deeper levels of the sub-conscious, how do you balance your physical work life balance through your prime ego?

I am experiencing problems reminiscent of the plato allergy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQfRdl3GTw4

Please share any thoughts.
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Old 25-10-2020, 11:36 AM
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Hello spiritual community,

For those that are currently working with their shadow and traveling into more deeper levels of the sub-conscious, how do you balance your physical work life balance through your prime ego?

I am experiencing problems reminiscent of the plato allergy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQfRdl3GTw4

Please share any thoughts.
It's called cognitive behaviour if you want to Google it, and there's plenty of it. Teal Swan also has a couple of YouTubes where she gives examples of the process, she calls it Shadow Work. Basically it's about how your thinking creates your perceptual reality, in Spiritual terms it's known as 'Right Thinking'. The first question could be "If you want to balance your work life, what is the reason it's imbalanced?" An answer could be "Well, the ego would rather be in a monastery because it's much cooler." What you do is keep following that trail to peel back the layers one by one.

A good start is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHPI...&index=10&t=0s

In the allegory, cognitive behaviour is the constraints and the more you understand your own the less constrained you become, to the stage where you have control over what goes into your unconscious.

For example. Your current cognitive behaviour means that you have decided you are Spiritual and your reality is created by what you accept or reject according to those definitions. Earning a living is not a Spiritual practice so it becomes a conflict - destructive cognitive behaviour. Once you realise that it stems from your definition and your current definition is causing conflict - being Spiritual means you have to live in a monastery - you can change your cognitive behaviour. Going to work gives you a roof over your head and money to buy Spiritual books, so it supports your Spirituality. Now there is no conflict and your ego sees your work life as a necessity. No conflict with work, constructive cognitive behaviour. The constraints loosen.

In Spiritual parlance it's Right Thinking and perceptual reality, what you hate about work and how it constrains you is a kara or 'invented thing' that your Aham - 'I' is made of. Ahamkara is the word. The only real difference between Spirituality and psychology is dictionary.
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Old 25-10-2020, 02:25 PM
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I still worry about what psychology can offer. Perhaps I'm slightly anti-psychology. It tries to classify behaviours that don't appear to correspond with a social norm in a given culture, and explain them using outdated models of how behavioural processes come about.

I'm sure they'd love to find biological roots for some of their defined diseases - possibly there are some within the bounds of neuroendocrinology but these may result from the way the individual has stored their experiences and in what way they relate to a given situation (the results, a psychologist would class as a disorder).

No doubt correspondences could be aligned between spirituality and psychology even if psychology tends to veer away from the metaphysical, the link to which is always though words which cannot verify individual experience. And they both seem currently to rely on outmoded models of how things work.

I rarely encounter psychologists assigning cause to the tenets embodied in evolutionary psychiatry.
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Old 25-10-2020, 04:15 PM
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As one of the anti-psychiatrists says (probably Thomas Szasz)
If you talk to god, you're praying.
If god talks to you, you're schizophrenic. (So it would seem from DSM V)
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Old 25-10-2020, 04:36 PM
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Psychology is all theory and reductive thinking. Spirituality is an experience - but of course if you've never experienced true spirit, you would deny that.
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Old 27-10-2020, 03:00 AM
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For example. Your current cognitive behaviour means that you have decided you are Spiritual and your reality is created by what you accept or reject according to those definitions. Earning a living is not a Spiritual practice so it becomes a conflict - destructive cognitive behaviour. Once you realise that it stems from your definition and your current definition is causing conflict - being Spiritual means you have to live in a monastery - you can change your cognitive behaviour. Going to work gives you a roof over your head and money to buy Spiritual books, so it supports your Spirituality. Now there is no conflict and your ego sees your work life as a necessity. No conflict with work, constructive cognitive behaviour. The constraints loosen..

I agree with what you are saying, but I guess you would have to experience what I mean to understand. Perhaps a better way to say this is, imagine a homeless man, that has a lot of chaos around him is working with you, except in this example, the homeless man is you.

You can mentally map whatever you want to circumvent any issues that you have on how others perceive you, but it doesn't mean anything if their sub-consciousness is actually bothered by you. This is more in-line with what I am referring to. It would be fine if you weren't under a hierarchy model, but the issue becomes complicated if they are your boss and so on. Yes, you can escape to your own reality where you have more control, but that in itself causes you other issues and comes at a cost. You can't really escape into poverty and live as a monk as you say due to dependencies, it may be supporting children, to financial debt that is owed, leaving the only option of not having to work in a hierarchy model in the first place and manifesting that possibility. Even this takes time to manifest, so how do you cope during the transition?
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Old 27-10-2020, 04:44 AM
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You can mentally map whatever you want to circumvent any issues that you have on how others perceive you, but it doesn't mean anything if their sub-consciousness is actually bothered by you.
What do you mean by chaos, exactly?



You can have the control over your response to their actions/unconscious towards you and how you perceive them, so it's the same thing but a slightly different context. It's still your perceptions of.......but in this case their actions towards you/their unconscious. Circumventing only means that how you feel about what's going on is stuffed into your Shadow Self, and there you're avoiding rather than dealing with it. It'll also bite you on the backside later. What they do is their actions against you and it's your choice as to how you 'receive' them. At the very least their behaviour is a reflection of them not you, and I'm assuming you're not doing anything to provoke them so none of this is your fault. At least this approach can 'put some distance' emotionally between you and them, and lessen the impact on you. If it helps to feel sorry for them then by all means do, it'll help you create empathy/sympathy for them. That's not how you would treat people so always keep that in mind. Again, it's how you think about it and how you respond that counts. People usually have reasons to lash out at others, usually it's because they're hurting inside themselves and they want you to feel their pain or take it out on you. You're not doing that so that makes you stronger than them already.



It might be an idea to give vent along the way if you find your emotions overwhelming. I used to beat the hell out of my pillow and my wife sometimes screams at the seam but anything physical is fine as long as you focus the emotional energy on it. And no it's not easy, but you can gain much from it. Call it character-building if you like, because it will.
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Old 27-10-2020, 05:16 AM
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What do you mean by chaos, exactly?
Opposite of order.

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You can have the control over your response to their actions/unconscious towards you and how you perceive them, so it's the same thing but a slightly different context. It's still your perceptions of.......but in this case their actions towards you/their unconscious. Circumventing only means that how you feel about what's going on is stuffed into your Shadow Self, and there you're avoiding rather than dealing with it. It'll also bite you on the backside later. What they do is their actions against you and it's your choice as to how you 'receive' them. At the very least their behaviour is a reflection of them not you, and I'm assuming you're not doing anything to provoke them so none of this is your fault. At least this approach can 'put some distance' emotionally between you and them, and lessen the impact on you. If it helps to feel sorry for them then by all means do, it'll help you create empathy/sympathy for them. That's not how you would treat people so always keep that in mind. Again, it's how you think about it and how you respond that counts. People usually have reasons to lash out at others, usually it's because they're hurting inside themselves and they want you to feel their pain or take it out on you. You're not doing that so that makes you stronger than them already.

You're still thinking from the ego. I mentioned sub-conscious. You are talking about psychology, and the mind or the ego, we are beyond that sweetie. We are talking about spirit now. It is something you don't seem to have any experience in, so don't worry about it, but thank you for sharing your opinion. I agree from a humanity standpoint, your points have merit. I see why you like Teal Swan. I find her teachings very ego-centric, which is perfect for someone who is looking to be truly immersed inside the game, but these are spiritual forums, you'll find a lot of spiritual centric types around these waters. You're talking to a specialist right now.

Don't worry though, I offer everyone a ride, you'll have to take it in good faith, that in another story, i'll be offering you a ride down the rabbit hole. As once was told to Neo, follow the white rabbit.

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Old 27-10-2020, 09:30 AM
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You're talking to a specialist right now.

"Humility will open more doors than arrogance ever will."~ Zig Ziglar

"Think lightly of yourself and deeply of the world."~ Miyamoto Musashi

“The journey into unity consciousness begins as we step out of our egos and into our hearts.” ~ Chantelle Renee

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Old 30-10-2020, 07:54 PM
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"Humility will open more doors than arrogance ever will."~ Zig Ziglar

"Think lightly of yourself and deeply of the world."~ Miyamoto Musashi

“The journey into unity consciousness begins as we step out of our egos and into our hearts.” ~ Chantelle Renee

Zig Zigar, Miyamoto Musashi, and Chantelle Renee. How fitting that you would quote other egos. One day I hope you will reach a point in your enlightenment to seek your own identity and not rely on others to do so for you.

That being said, your mistake is believing that my own doesn't belong on this list, and that is your sin that I forgive. If you choose to sacrifice your ego, I respect that decision, all I ask is that you do not attack mine in the process.
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