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13-04-2022, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE 7 EXCERPT:
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Originally Posted by FallingLeaves
personally I'm grateful for the fact God saw fit to push people like me down instead of letting us gain any sense of 'control'. As I no longer see either equality or being ahead as good choices for me but would have blithely ignored that fact but for the grace of god.
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Your post is very revealing about your own personal tendencies which you seem to know quite well.
It's an interesting viewpoint and you seem very comfortable with the unequal status of women in religions.
Obviously, I don't share your opinion but I want to thank you for sharing your very interesting perspective on the subject of male-female equality.
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13-04-2022, 09:02 AM
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Master
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Well put, sky ! The cultural bias of the scribes does indeed seem to have influenced their perception of the "Word of God".
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I wonder what was on the Scribes mind when He wrote,
' Thou shalt commit adultery '. Exodus 20:14
KJV published in 1631.
The one who Commissioned the Version certainly followed this Command-ment
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13-04-2022, 02:38 PM
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I attended a Baha'i Fireside Chat recently (via zoom) where it was mentioned that women should have access to the "highest levels" in society.
But...
The International House of Justice, the "highest level" in the Baha'i hierarchy, is "male only".
Actions speak louder than words. The rhetoric, however, is at least a step in the direction of male-female equality at the "highest levels" in society.
Last edited by Still_Waters : 13-04-2022 at 04:14 PM.
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13-04-2022, 04:16 PM
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Master
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Originally Posted by sky
I wonder what was on the Scribes mind when He wrote,
' Thou shalt commit adultery '. Exodus 20:14
KJV published in 1631.
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Where did you get that translation?
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Exodus%2020:14
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13-04-2022, 04:48 PM
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It is an error in a reprint of the KJV which was later noticed and most copies recalled and destroyed under the orders of Charles1......
Was it the Scribes fault or the Printers, the Printer got the blame but who knows, mybe the Scribe had other things on His mind which interfered with what He thought and what He was surposed to think regarding adultery lol......
' King Charles1 was not amused by the ‘Wicked Bible'
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14-04-2022, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE 15 EXCERPT:
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' King Charles1 was not amused by the ‘Wicked Bible'
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That's an interesting story and I'm sure that King Charles I was not amused.
One does wonder whether such things are "Freudian slips" or just a transcription error in omitting one word ... a very important "NOT" word.
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14-04-2022, 09:16 PM
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Because they are Sky God belief systems (religion) and they are patriarchal!
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14-04-2022, 11:25 PM
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Because they are Sky God belief systems (religion) and they are patriarchal!
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Could you elaborate further on the "Sky God belief systems" being patriarchal ?
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15-04-2022, 12:20 PM
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Religions are made by people and in most cultures, the men have taken positions of leadership. Religions are hierarchical by nature so that means human leaders are elevated. It's not just in the Abrahamic religions either, in Dharmic religions they believe men have the superior 'karma'.
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15-04-2022, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Altair
Religions are made by people and in most cultures, the men have taken positions of leadership. Religions are hierarchical by nature so that means human leaders are elevated. It's not just in the Abrahamic religions either, in Dharmic religions they believe men have the superior 'karma'.
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In Hinduism, the trinity is male-female (Brahma-Sarasvati, Vishnu-Lakshmi, Shiva-Parvati/Durga/Kali). My spiritual mentor for over 30 years was the first female Mahamandeleswara in the orders of Shankara. The heads of the orders, however, were all male with Mahamandeleshwara being the second level in the hierarchy. She successfully argued that, based on the trinity being paired as male-female, the order should be similarly paired and the position of parvacharya was thus created. (She debated the subject of male-female equality nationally and the public response was overwhelmingly 90% supportive of her position.)
If my memory is correct, Buddha initially created an order of all-male monks but eventually established a second but equal order of female monks. The same applies to Ramakrishna/Vivekananda.
While males do intend to dominate most hierarchical structures, as you duly noted, the male hierarchical dominance still seems (at least to me) more rigid in the Abrahamic religions than in the Dharma Religions (as you refer to them).
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