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Old 18-03-2022, 07:53 AM
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Nice. Good to see a deeper context to the discussion .

When knights in the movies say "I'm the servant of the king", we often think of it as some kind of a figurative statement, an assignment, but in history that was meant very literally. It was the permanent state of existence. Everybody was somebody's servant and the purpose of their individual lives was to fulfill their duties as a servant.

From the Western point of view, we can hardly grasp how inequal the old world was, in every sense. It wasn't just with the rulers, but with everything. In the families, kids were very much *not* told to go live their lives, fullfill their own dreams. The most well-known example of the generational order are the royal families, but it was like that for all families, aristocrats and peasants alike. Nowadays in the West we think of this generational power pyramid as a temporary state that is only for the childhood but for thousands of years, it used to be a permanent state of existence that lasted into adulthood

Reading about all this stuff has made me passionately value and love the modern, Western world. It's such a free place, full of possibilities and choices. The inequalities we have nowadays are usually a mere, fading shadow of the all-consuming inequality and the oppression of the old world.
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Old 18-03-2022, 11:21 AM
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You are a groupthinker and an intersectionalist. *Deleted*
I'm aware that this quote was not to me, but I'd like to point out something related to this:

I think that the reason why people like you and I are so frustrated with the woke feminists is, we happen to be too serious people to fully understand those who are not. We want our thoughts to make sense. But the mindset the feminist-warriors are in, is not at all like that. They're not trying to make sense and we might miss that part of the picture.

What they are doing is more comparable to when I was 8 years old and I saw Robocop shooting gangsters on TV, I was thrilled and so I too, went out and started shooting imaginary gangsters with my toygun: What a rush! Getting to be the protagonist who takes down the bad guys! Bang bang! Down goes the gangster!

So, what these people are really doing is, not at all them trying to figure out how the world works in a meticulous manner and years of research, but rather they watch some woke movie where a smart, witty heroine exposes patriarchalists, they get all worked up, they get their "toyguns", meaning their bogus pseudo-history and pseudo-sociology and go to the internet and start shooting at the gangsters, exposing the patriarchalists! Woohoo, what a rush! Getting the action! The heroic moment! Being the brave girls fighting the partiarchy! Bang bang! Down goes the partiarchalist!

And just like with the 8-year old me thinking I'm Robocop shooting gangsters, with them it's also very often the case that the situation is totally made up, a fantasy where there is no patriarchalist conspiracy to be exposed in the near proximity, but what do they care, they're in it for the rush of getting to feel like they're saving the day, getting to be the fightin' protagonists...

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Old 18-03-2022, 04:08 PM
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I think people with personal issues tend to be heavily infested in the anti-male sentiment, or anti-female sentiment. Divorced men that see their kids once a week, or women that continue to be attracted to bad men and then not changing. Of course there are some general disadvantages (and advantages) to being either a man or a woman, but individually there is just so much variation.

It's always easy to think of group versus group. It's easy to blame an entire group of people based on genitalia. You no longer have to think and question your own position, or have a real conversation. No, instead you become the holy crusader.
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Old 18-03-2022, 07:45 PM
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In topics like this, I guess it's good to be specific, so here is a disclaimer for clarification purposes. I acknowledge that there are three types of feminists:

1) The good feminists:
People who do things like, professional, sound investigative journalism focused on women's issues, or human rights activism in the third world, with special focus on women's issues. These feminists are good people. I have respect for them.

2) The moderate feminists:
The normal variety. People who are focused on women's issues and ignore everything else. They might have a somewhat low opinion of men, but are not outright haters. This group is an interest lobby, a women's lobby. Not a gender equality movement, just to be clear, but a women's lobby. It's like any activist group, sometimes good, sometimes bad.

3) The woke feminists:
These people are an extremist ideological group. They have a pitifully simplistic world view, they have a persecution complex, they dwell on victimhood, they promote biased attitudes against men. Their publications are outright propaganda. I believe these people are bad, toxic people, petty man-haters hiding behind a thin veneer of gender equality activism.

My grudge is with the variety 3 feminists.
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Old 19-03-2022, 09:52 AM
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I'm sure there's something to it, and with all the issues of biological difference and child care it gets to be more than I think about, but now-days we no longer really know what's a man and what's woman as trans blur lines where sex segregation is actually a good thing, like in competitive sports, and I don't even know how a woman would feel when 'woman of the year' was born a male. Personally I think women's rights are even further compromised in these ways as males start to dominate what once were strictly female domains.
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Old 19-03-2022, 09:55 AM
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Well, many women seem completely fine with male born persons winning the female medals.

In the future, identities and sexualities are going to be more blurry with more body alterations, sex robots, virtual reality, etc.
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Old 19-03-2022, 10:22 AM
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Well, most women seem completely fine with male born persons winning the female medals.
It's mostly a niche thing on the internet to complain about it.
I haven't encountered any women in person who is concerned..
If you were competing with a trans swimmer...longer arms, broader, stronger shoulders, more muscular legs - you get the picture -
I believe you would see things differently.
"Most women"? Oh? You've talked with many about this very thing? Noted: You changed most to ''many''.

Living in a city with the Olympic and Paralympic Committee Headquarters, 20+ National Olympic Governing Bodies, one of
the Olympic and Paralympic Training Centers and the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Museum....
I have a different perspective on what some women athletes feel.
And without revealing what I used to do for a living know them and have worked with them.
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Old 19-03-2022, 10:35 AM
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I edited bits of my post.
I haven't heard from women yet at work or family or elsewhere. I do read about it on twitter. Online there's a lot of rage about it. From women but also from men who wanna play rescue knight. I come across a lot of opinionated people face-to-face that are eager to talk politics and morality. This topic hasn't come up.

Whether we like it or not, the concept of a ''man'' and a ''woman'' is going to change because of technology. It's not just physical alterations but VR and robots will also change the way we think about men, women, sex, and identity.
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Old 19-03-2022, 10:45 AM
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If you were competing with a trans swimmer...longer arms, broader, stronger shoulders, more muscular legs - you get the picture -
What's the ''standard'' that someone needs in order to compete as a woman?
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Old 19-03-2022, 10:49 AM
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What's the ''standard'' that someone needs in order to compete as a woman?
I dunno - they are prob online. Whatever the standard, it goes without saying,
that would not mean some of the other women would be great about it.


Here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelse...h=668e699a4f9c
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